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Derrick R.
09-27-2010, 10:09
Here is a pre-WWI .45 acp ammo belt. Derrick
Scott Wilson
09-28-2010, 04:25
That is very nice. Is it dated? If not,when do you think that it was made?
Derrick R.
09-28-2010, 08:07
Scott its hard to read but I believe its 1913
George in NH
09-28-2010, 12:02
Hi Men,
Would not that belt be for revolver ammo? The ammo would be either for the 1890's series of
.38 guns or the Model 1909 Colt in .45 (Long) Colt. I do have a soft cover book of US web gear, I will try and check it tonight.
George in NH
Derrick R.
09-28-2010, 02:15
No, the magazine lays horizontal and the small pockets hold 7 loose rounds. Thje belts for the .38 ammo had all small pockets and I believe eight of them.
Derrick
5MadFarmers
09-29-2010, 04:26
There are many more belts than two.

The current books simplify the belts into a few different ones. The original drawings show that there were many more than is currently believed.
Johnny P
10-03-2010, 01:42
It was never proposed that loose ammo for the 1911 be carried. From the beginning it was proposed that the ammo be carried in magazines, and the biggest decision was how many magazines be carried. The first proposal was that six loaded magazines be carried, but how to carry that many magazines was never settled. One proposal was for one magazine pocket for three magazines and one magazine pocket for two magazines be carried on the belt. Another was for two to be carried in a magazine pocket and the other three in the saddlebags. It was decided that only three magazines would be carried, one in the pistol and two in a magazine pocket attached to the belt.
Mills may have proposed the belt as a way of carrying .45 ACP ammo, but I have never seen where it was considered.
5MadFarmers
10-03-2010, 03:27
"Revolvers." The belts were for revolvers.

"Cartridge Belt, Model of 1909, with Saber Ring, for Colt's Cal. .45 Revolver."

Drawing number is 20-2-101 for that one (The 1909, not the pictured belt in OP's post).

The belt pictured appears to be a hybrid. Which isn't as odd as it sounds.
Johnny P
10-03-2010, 04:41
The magazine pocket for the Model 1911 pistol was first issued in 1912.

http://i51.tinypic.com/23vhuv7.jpg
Scott Wilson
10-03-2010, 05:26
This is very interesting!
John, where did you find the information regarding the protocal for early carry? Is there any information on the web gear that was being considered for the pre 1911 pistols? I would agree that any magazine fed pistol would have weg gear designed to carry loaded magazines, but it is possible that the old habits (loose rounds for the revolvers) lingered for abit?
Johnny P
10-03-2010, 07:22
Scott Meadows book on holsters and cartridge boxes has the best information on the adoption of the carrying devices. I don't believe loose carry was ever considered for the Model 1911.
Derrick R.
10-05-2010, 08:42
There was a belt on ebay like this one only with the marine corps snaps that sold for $1780. I have seen a picture of a marine wearing this belt also but cant remember where so I could post it. Derrick
Fred Pillot
10-21-2010, 02:02
All I can think is that that is an awful lot of webbing for how much storage?
They must have had those burlington mills going 24/7.