Army may get new sniper rifle

[Jeff L]

http://www.military.com/news/article/army-may-field-more-powerful-sniper-rifle.html?ESRC=dod.nl

[Johnny in Texas]

It does not say anything about a new cartridge so will it be just a new loading of the 7.62 MM round. maybe 187gr MHPBT?

[Dan in NY]

Johnny, I think they said it's gonna be in .300 Win Mag., which is a logical choice for them....

Imagine if they adopt his rifle system, and the CMP gets all those old, obsolete M40's & M24's......Wow...better start saving.......Hey, you never know, right...

[Johnny in Texas]

That would be cool but I thought the article said that Remington Rebuild the M24 into the new version I will reread it. I missed the 300 WinMag sentence. I thought the .338 Lapua Mag. was going to be the replacement for the .50 cal. and the 7.62 MM

[Badgerord]

The XM2010 is a done deal, Upgraded M24's, New Barrel (.300 WM) New bolt, New scope (Leupold & Stevens new 34 mm scope design) New Stock, designed by Cadex for Remington, Scope rings by Badger Ordnance, the suppressor is the AAC Titanium Titan. the first rifles were in Tan, the balance will be Black. The rifle has a 10 round detachable box magazine.

Remington is doing the upgrade, re-barrel, re-finish and assembly, the stocks are being supplied by 2 different contractors.

Over 100 have been delivered already.

Marty
Badger Ordnance

[Johnny in Texas]

I did not realize the M24 was a long action receiver.

[TomSudz]

I did not realize the M24 was a long action receiver.

Depending on who you believe, the LA was for use with a "to be developed later" .30-06 loading or for possible later use of the .300WM.

[Johnny in Texas]

I built a 7.62 sniper rifle on a M70 LA and it is easier to load and shoot quickly than my Rem. 7.62 PSS

[Badgerord]

According to Army records and the Lead Engineer at Remington the M24 was built on a long action so it could be upgraded to a .300 WM. this is a documented fact.

Marty
Badger Ordnance

[TomSudz]

According to Army records and the Lead Engineer at Remington the M24 was built on a long action so it could be upgraded to a .300 WM. this is a documented fact.

Marty
Badger Ordnance

And yet, MAJ Mende maintains that the LA was for the eventual use of high power load for the .30-06 that would be developed. At the time there was .30-06 ammo in the military system. I'm not arguing, just stating that there are people who make different statements about the LA.

[Badgerord]

In 1984 when the Tech Data package was finalized for the M24 there were no US arsenals loading Match 30-06, it had been discontinued in 1969 after the adoption of the M14 in the mid 1950's and the prevalence of the M14 in the National Matches. The Navy was already working on .300 WM rifles called M700/300's now known as the M13 Mod O, so the Win Mags were on deck.

I would guess that Maj Mende was in High school when the M24 was adopted, I was working with the barrel maker who made the original 1500+ barrels for the first M24's.

Myth in the Military is a common as push ups, I can still find you a hundred guys in the service that will tell you "its illegal to shoot people with a .50 cal." Yet, my company makes the scope rings for the US, Canadian and other NATO countries .50 sniper rifles.

I am not meaning to argue, but I was there.

Marty
Badger Ordnance

[TomSudz]

Major (Ret) John Mende was the Weapons System Matrix Manager during the development of the M24.

[Badgerord]

As I mentioned I was working with the Barrel maker from the beginning and when we did testing on the first prototypes they were on long actions and when asked "Why"
Fred Martin, Remington's Lead designer on the M24 project, said "it was for the possible upgrade to Win mag."

Thanks for reading.

Marty
Badger Ordnance

[Chris F]

I had a chance to interview Maj. Bruce Wincensen, a retired USMC Ordnance Officer about his role in the development of the M16A2 some years back, and during the course of our discussion, he mentioned he was a consultant on the M24 project and that it was an LA for an intended chambering in 300WinMag.

Marty did you work for Mike during that period?

[Badgerord]

I worked with Mike, not for. I was doing my own thing at the time and we were doing some muzzle break development for Remington.

Mike is a personal friend of mine and I worked on some projects for him on and off over the years, then when he sold it to Accuracy International, they hired me as a consultant for a while.

Marty
Badger Ordnance