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Dan Shapiro
03-09-2013, 01:45
At auction, all you need is LOTS OF MONEY!

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/58/lid/1852
Fred
03-09-2013, 02:24
I just asked my wife if we had an extra $45,000.00 - $60,000.00 and she told me no.
Dan Shapiro
03-09-2013, 02:54
Hmmmm.........a lot nicer than the response I got (and my birthday is coming up!).

"Are you out of your $%&# mind!"
IditarodJoe
03-09-2013, 02:55
Wouldn't April 1919 be a bit too late for a DAL inspection stamp? Brophy places the DAL cartouche in 1917-1918. My Mk I, made in the May-June 1919 time frame, has a WJS stock cartouche.

I mean . . . I was going to buy this, but not if the rifle has the wrong stock!!! (yah, right :D)
Kurt
03-09-2013, 03:24
Dan, agree, Fred's wife just said no, mine beat the hell out of me to make sure I understood NO.

Kurt
da gimp
03-09-2013, 03:35
Wondering if this is the Swede's rig..............just might be.........
Doug Douglass
03-09-2013, 03:37
Wouldn't April 1919 be a bit too late for a DAL inspection stamp? Brophy places the DAL cartouche in 1917-1918. My Mk I, made in the May-June 1919 time frame, has a WJS stock cartouche.

My 1921 National Match #1196714 has a DAL cartouch, so I suspect all is not exactly as recorded. What a nice Pederson Device. I have a MK1 rifle with all MK1 parts cartouched Benicia Arsenal rebuild and the canvas pouches, but NO device, darn it.
m1903rifle
03-09-2013, 04:16
I agree with Doug. I have a 1929 NM in a C stock with a DAL cartouche. Brophy must have been wrong as I have seen other NM rifles later than 1918 with the DAL cartouche.
amber
03-09-2013, 05:32
Notice that the cartouche is doubled.
PhillipM
03-09-2013, 05:38
Wondering if this is the Swede's rig..............just might be.........
I would think she would have given us a heads up at least!
Rick the Librarian
03-09-2013, 06:34
Daniel A Leary was at Springfield at least from 1917 to the mid-1930s. Brophy is wrong.
John Beard
03-09-2013, 07:58
Notice that the cartouche is doubled.

If you look even closer, you will see that the cartouche is fake!

J.B.
jimmyzwei
03-09-2013, 08:13
2nd one to be sold by RIA in the last couple of years. last sold in May of 2011 for 42,500.00USD to floor that before the 8k+ buyers premium. Had the privilege of handling that one, was required to done white gloves to pick it up, but knew the guy at the table so i was able to pull the device out and look it over. Will with out a doubt handle this one also.
Rick the Librarian
03-09-2013, 08:30
If you look even closer, you will see that the cartouche is fake!

J.B.

Here's the one on the Mark I featured on RIA:

http://www.rockislandauction.com/photos/58/p_standard/JKS123-S-CU5-L.jpg

I agree, something doesn't look right.

Here's one on a NM M1903 I examined a few years ago:

http://www.fototime.com/9DDA9D01FB14E31/standard.jpg
Kurt
03-09-2013, 10:31
In the description he states;

The stock and handguard are also both excellent showing no handling marks with a restamped "DAL" cartouche and circled "P" proof. That and he refers to the stock as"correct fitted" which sounds like lawyer talk in this neck of the woods.

And this: This Model 1903 Mark I rifle was manufactured by Springfield Armory in April 1910" I must have missed a few years of production, darn!

I don't know, I think I may have brain damage from the wife beating.....things are a bit fuzzy

Kurt
Rick the Librarian
03-10-2013, 09:17
For the fancy price they'll be expecting, a "restamped" DAL is pretty shady to me - you think they'd get their facts right, also.
da gimp
03-10-2013, 09:21
it ain't the Swede's if it has a fake cartouche....
Fred
03-10-2013, 09:36
It shouldn't have been that difficult to get an original rifle. I wonder if the auction house salted the mine so to speak with the rifle.
Doug Douglass
03-10-2013, 03:06
You are all right the DAL is not like mine. Could there have been more than one stamp????
John Beard
03-10-2013, 05:34
It shouldn't have been that difficult to get an original rifle. I wonder if the auction house salted the mine so to speak with the rifle.

Mint original Mark I rifles that one would want to put with a Pedersen Device are very few and far between. Nice used rifles are more common. Re-barreled and refinished rifles are very common.

J.B.
jimmyzwei
03-10-2013, 05:49
isn't it the Pedersen Device itself that has most of the value for this item?
Fred
03-10-2013, 06:20
You bet!
da gimp
03-10-2013, 06:28
isn't it the Pedersen Device itself that has most of the value for this item?

the rifles are not uncommon........ finding the proper internals would not be easy or cheap....... but it could be done..... coming up with the Pedersen & mags would be nearly impossible.....a shame they dinna get a real stock for it......... bet the new owner will...