Black powder

[broom jockey]

If you need or want to stock up, buy all you can afford now. With the Boston bombings and our dictator-in-office, I'm sure there will be restrictions placed on black powder sales. And, same-same for smokeless powder.

[Fred]

Good advice

[jon_norstog]

If you need or want to stock up, buy all you can afford now. With the Boston bombings and our dictator-in-office, I'm sure there will be restrictions placed on black powder sales. And, same-same for smokeless powder.

When I read in the news that the bomb was powered by BP, I thought the same thing. I hope it blows over, but it might not. I've made the stuff myself, but it was not very good. You gotta have really good KNO3, pure sulfur and really clean charcoal. Hard to find.

jn

[BudT]

Yep, I agree if you want it you might want to consider buying it "now" while you still can. If stored properly its safe and will out last most of us. Same for any other components you might need or want. One of the off sides of this is finding it, right now as we all know just about everything is in high demand and short supply. This might be just a rumor but I have heard that the makers are going to raise prices again 10-20%, while this isnt to bad if you could get the stuff but you can't get lots of things right now. I'm pretty happy that my local dealer has been getting a good supply of powder of most kinds. He doesnt stock BP but he does all of the other imitation BP.

[ignats]

I wanted to buy some 777 the other day and the only type I could find was FFg for rifles and shotguns. There was no FFFg anywhere around here. I tried to buy some online but the shipping is brutal.

I was talking with the owner of one gunshop and was told the shortages were due to the government buying up a lot of ammo for the military and that was draining supplies of brass etc. How that would effect BP or Hodgdons 777 is beyond me. I was also looking for some .22 LR which seems to have dried up locally too. I read one article regarding the ammo shortages and some of it made sense. The writer indicating a lot of it was due to hoarding. We're doing this to ourselves. It kind of made sense to me as I vividly recall the gasoline shortages of the 70's. People were lining up to buy gas with half a tank in their car. Everyone was afraid they'd run out of gas. That night, the state went to odd and even tag number fueling system. That meant if the last number on your tag was odd, you could buy gas on odd number days. The problem stopped the next day, people settled down and life went on. About five years ago, we had a similar gas shortage scare pop up again. The governor ordered all gas retailers to shut down at 6PM that night and the next day everything went back to normal. I guess the point of this whole story is, I think the ammo manufacturers are taking advantage of our fears of what the government might do. They limit production, charge more and make a killing. Kind of like the speculators did with petroleum products. My suggestion would be not to go running out and clearing off the shelves. I think this plays into the hands of the companies that produce ammo. I think everyone plays this little game of blaming each other to raise prices.

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[dogtag]

Great ! That's all we need, another round of panic buying.
Now we'll have people buying black powder who don't even
own a black powder firearm.

[jon_norstog]

I think I'll email up the entire Idaho delegation and ak them to vote no on any BP restrictions.

jn

[John Sukey]

What's next? A background check on pressure cookers?

[BudT]

And a license to have one after you register it. 14 day waiting period="cooling off period"......sounds about right? Makes me glad I have the 3 I already have and use. Maybe a black market item soon, along with Ballbearing sling shot ammo, nails, bolts n nuts, oh hell pick something it's all useable isnt it. Strike any where matches are next, right.

[jon_norstog]

Terr-ists gonna have to buy those pressure cookers new. Good luck getting any of your female relatives to turn one loose. And no way I am gonna register mine.

jn

[jon_norstog]

PS the cooling off period for a 6-jar cooker is at least an hour.

jn

[k arga]

go to americanlongrifles.com or traditional muzzel loading .com very good places to learn

[ignats]

Just got an order of Graf's FFg and FFFg and a lb of 777. This was my first time with 777 and I like it. Clean, lot's of smoke but no sulfur smell. That stuff is pretty stout. I need to check into some loads. Any help would be appreciated.

[JBinIll]

Triple Seven is a high energy product designed to provide the muzzleloading hunter with higher velocities when used in the same VOLUME as blackpowder. To duplicate a blackpowder load velocity using Triple Seven, you must decrease the powder charge by 15%. *See WARNING below.

http://www.hodgdon.com/loading.html

[John Sukey]

As for black powder going bad, it doesn't! They have found cannonballs from the Revoutionary was where the powder was still good.
The Navy actualy had a handbook on black powder ammo. One of the Navy bases has exsisted before the civil war and sailors were finding shells in the area, and trying to defuse them as souveniers. Sometimes with nasty results.

[JimF]

As for black powder going bad, it doesn't! . . . . . .

Quite right, John . . . .

I remember reading . . . . YEARS ago . . . . . about a British warship, sunk during the war of 1812 I believe, that was found in relatively shallow water in Lake Champlain.

There was some black powder found on board that some of the locals had "purloined" before the authorities declared the wreck off limits.

A portion of this powder was spread out on a sheet of newspaper and placed in the sunlight for a while to dry.

After this, it was found to ignite as well as any of the modern-day black powder! --Jim

[Michaelp]

I have a bit of 20+ year old FFG-works just fine.

[JBinIll]

When the Union Gunboat Cairo was salvaged from the Yazoo River in the 1960s,ships guns were found loaded with fused shells and loaded and fused shells were in the ready boxes.After drying out after 100 years under water and mud they were as dangerous as the day the gunboat sank in 1862.

http://gulfwrecks.net/images/Uss_Cairo.jpg

[ignats]

Here's an article about old ordnance.

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/civil-war-cannonball-explodes-kills-relic-collector/article_86607e91-89df-5e6f-9229-02d450ab0195.html

[jon_norstog]

I would think that the KNO3 would tend to dissolve if the stuff got really wet and wasn't enclosed, as it would be in a shell or an intact keg. That's kind of how they used to get the nitrate - it would go into solution in a damp pile of manure, the solution would wick to the surface and the water would evaporate, leaving the white nitrate salts to be harvested.

jn

[musketshooter]

It is my understanding that the Boston bombs were made with fireworks powder. There goes the 4th of July celebrations!