Ammunition recall

[Emri]

I just got this this morning and pass it on in case any of you have some..........


PRODUCT WARNING AND RECALL NOTICE
Graf and Sons is recalling four (4) lots of Item #80490 7.7 Jap 150gr. SP Graf and Sons
(Hornady) Ammo and 1 (1) lot of Item #80500 7.7 Jap 150gr. SST Graf and Sons (Hornady)
Ammo. These lots were shipped between September 2012 and April of 2013.
Item #80490 Lot numbers 3130135, 3122007, 3130876, 3130988.
Item #80500 Lot number 3131081.
Hornady Mfg Company ballisticians have determined that some cartridges from Item #80490 Lot
numbers 3130135, 3122007, 3130876, 3130988, and Item #80500 Lot number 3131081 may
exhibit inconsistent ignition from the large chamber variations in surplus rifles that may lead to a
dangerous situation. Use of this product may result in firearm damage and or personal injury.
DO NOT USE GRAF & SONS (HORNADY) AMMUNTION Item #80490 7.7 Jap 150gr. SP
Graf and Sons (Hornady) Ammo Item #80500 7.7 Jap 150gr. SST Graf and Sons (Hornady)
Ammo. FROM THE ABOVE LISTED LOT NUMBERS.
The lot number can be found printed on the lower portion of the box label.
THIS NOTICE ONLY APPLIES TO ITEM #80490 LOT NUMBERS 3130135,
3122007, 3130876, 3130988, and ITEM #80500 LOT NUMBER 3131081.
If you own any one of these Lot #’s or have any questions regarding this recall, please call Graf
and Sons 800-531-2666. Graf and Sons will make all arrangements associated with this
return of the product.
ANY OTHER LOT NUMBERS OR ITEM NUMBERS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THIS
RECALL AND REQUIRE NO ACTION.
Thank you for your attention. We apologize for this inconvenience.
Graf and Sons

[Guamsst]

I ain't no reload guru but I am a bit confused by their logic. How big do they think these variations in the chambers are?

[Tuna]

It's only legal BS to try and cover their butts. Can't blame it on themselves so blame the rifles.

[kcw]

I ain't no reload guru but I am a bit confused by their logic. How big do they think these variations in the chambers are?

I was wondering the same thing. If it's loaded anywhere near "spec" there shouldn't be any ignition consistency issues as far as the ammo itself goes. I suppose that it's possible to have a headspace issue so huge that the brass splits, but that's not an ammo ignition issue. The only thing I can think of is a really bad (hard?) brass issue, wherein it's simply cracking rather than stretching to seal the chamber upon firing.

[Marcus]

It's only legal BS to try and cover their butts. Can't blame it on themselves so blame the rifles.

My thoughts exactly. Saying "We f'ed up" might be considered an admission or at least declaration against interest for liability issues, but saying "Imperial Japan f'ed up" lets you CYA while engaging in a little preventative finger-pointing.

Especially since we all know and have heard endlessly how unsafe those Japanese rifles are, and how they blow up if you even look at them. As I once heard some self-proclaimed expert babble "Them Jap rifles killed more Japs than the Marine Corps."

[ElWoodman]

The first thought that came to my mind was "I'll bet some bonehead put 7.7 in a 6.5, and blew it up".......Just my 2 cents...

[Hecklerusp45]

That could be the case, it has been done before.

[Tom Trevor]

Friend bought a box of Hornaday ammo for his Carcano. and at the third round fried BLAM! Had to beat the bolt open. Will never buy anything they load.

[psteinmayer]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't the Type-99 one of the strongest actions made? I'm going with a brass issue and they're covering their collective butts! I have two boxes, so I'm going to check them.

[dave]

That Jap rifle being the strongest action has never been proven or really tested. One or two incidents where they survived severe abuse speaks only to the individual rifles involved. Just like the low number '03 some blew (80 or a 100?) and many more are still being shot.

[Guamsst]

That Jap rifle being the strongest action has never been proven or really tested. One or two incidents where they survived severe abuse speaks only to the individual rifles involved. Just like the low number '03 some blew (80 or a 100?) and many more are still being shot.

Well, yes, and no. There has been testing done that shows the early to mid war and even all but the last of the late war rifles had incredibly strong actions. Some anecdotal evidence and some scientific testing has generally backed this up. As you point out though. No one has ever taken a consistent sampling of, lets say 100, of each rifle ever made and tested the metal for composition and hardness and then done well documented tests to see what the failure point is. I will say this. Just like the Enfields "weak" action. Out of the hundreds of photos of "blowed up" actions I have seen. I've never seen a Jap "blowed up". I still hear stories from time to time about how on Ijjy Jeemy, Bubba's granpa seen dead Japs all over the place with the bolt stuck through their forehead. I attribute that to granpa being entirely full of horse$@#*.

Just looking at how it works and the engineering side of it. I'd say the T99 should be on par with any Mouser. The T38 has recoil lugs that border on wasting strategic material. Those are actually the only two actions they built from 1905-1945 as every bolt action model they made during that time was either a Type38 action or Type 99 action which is really just a slightly modified Type38 with several parts being completely interchangeable.

In summary, I am more skeptical of claims of weak Japanese actions than of claims of them being the strongest (excepting very late war). And yes I know Mouser is spaelled Mauser.