very rare m1 carbine

[papadura6969]

I have a very rare m1 carbine, i just want to know what´s the model and year of fabrication....this model has the rear sights at the back of the barrel and it doesn´t have the piece of handguard that goes on top of the barrel and the front sight is diferent...

[ebeeby]

Doesn't exist without photos

Not to be too harsh, but that does sound like the Bubba'd model....

[papadura6969]

here they are

[kcw]

There's a discussion about that model, questioning if it is an "M-1 carbine prototype" @ www.gunandgame.com Someone thought that it may have been made by Universal, but there was no definitive answer.

[papadura6969]

I´ve seen a similar one in a picture and it says that it is a "wts armlist m1 carbine" but i don´t really know.....

[papadura6969]

Question is: will it accept all the aftermarket gadgets (stocks, etc) for the original m1 ?

[Johnny in Texas]

That is a rare BUBBATYPE carbine. The deluxe model has a thin handguard with the rear sight cut through it and a ramp adjustment as well as a hooded ramp front sight red rubber recoil pad you know carbine recoil is brutal, a Texas Ranger I knew had one built for his wife to hunt white tail deer with. I went to high school with his two grandson's and we all hunted with that carbine at one time or another. I bought his '65 9XXX s/n SP1 AR-15 from his widow years later and still have it.

Wish I had that Carbine also!

[Tuna]

What is the serial number on it and where is the number located on the receiver? It really looks a lot like a Howa 300. A commercial carbine made in Japan in the early 1960,s. They made 10,000 of them with the majority going down under to Australia but some may have been imported here.

[kcw]

What is the serial number on it and where is the number located on the receiver? It really looks a lot like a Howa 300. A commercial carbine made in Japan in the early 1960,s. They made 10,000 of them with the majority going down under to Australia but some may have been imported here.

If it's a Howa 300 it should have two treaded holes on the side of the receiver for the optional "peep" sight.

[joem]

Looks a tad rusty here and there.

[papadura6969]

well the serial No is at the back of the receiver on top, it doesn´t have the treaded holes for optional sights, it really doesn´t have any particular way to put any scope or red dot sights and yes it is rusty because it´s been in the family for a very long long time and its been held on to me now, so they didn´t take good care........it fires great, no hassle at all.

[papadura6969]

I´m gonna take it to the gunsmith and have it fixed and parkerizad.........what is this BUBBATYPE thing anyway ?

[Tuna]

If you can list most of the serial number we can tell you who made it if it's a USGI carbine. A Bubba gun is one that someone went and worked it over. Many were done by the owner and they look terrible or the work was very poorly done. Others like your were most likely done by a gunsmith as the quality of the work is much higher. Back in the early to mid 1960's it was not unusual for someone to have a surplus rifle converted to a different form and that is what happened with your carbine. If the rust is just on the surface you can use bronze wool and oil to gently remove the rust.

[papadura6969]

Thanks a lot TUNA.....unfortunately the serial No is worn out, I don´t know if it is age worn or intentionally erased....thing is it belonged to my grandfather and he was a member of the army forces down here in my country in the early 60´s.....so all I know it is a M1 carbine, still fires great but it laks of the rear sights, everithing works great and I want to change and get a new stock....like a tactical one and perhaps a red dot scope but for that I will have to take to the gunsmith.....any how thanks a lot for your help----

[papadura6969]

also in the fron of the receiver it is written "U.S. carbine .30 caliber"

[kcw]

I'm thinking that if the parts in the trigger group are stamped with any of the various USGI maker marks, then it's probably a USGI carbine that has been "Bubba'd" roughly to the pattern the HOWA commercial product.( I'm assuming that HOWA made their own parts with whatever company stamps they might place on them). The carbine pictured at the website indicated in my 1st post has what appears to be Williams open sight on its barrel, not the HOWA ramp sight shown in the HOWA 300 owner's manual. It's possible too that a small domestic shop made up a very limited number of these HOWA 300 pattern guns, respective to having the rear sight of some sort on the barrel, using USGI carbines. It was a common practice back in the 1950's & 60's to try and convert surplus military guns into something resembling a commercial product. For example, an M1917 U.S. Enfield could have no higher calling than to be tricked out to look like one of the commercial Model 30 Remington variants.

[papadura6969]

outstanding explanation.....now, it does have a mark in the inside of the slider wich is "P1" or "PI" and in the outside there is another mark "C" and a number and under the barrel there is a bunch of letters and numbers disorderly place : H Y 2 M and two number 2 upsidedows kinda wird.....

[Allen]

What keeps the barreled action from recoiling out of the stock when you fire it. Traditional carbines have the upper handguard with the barrel band to secure the action?

[Tuna]

The barrel and slide are both Inland. There is a good chance the receiver is Inland too. Howa did not mark parts on any of their carbines. In fact the military ones made for Thailand, the only marking is an H on the bottom of the barrel. The commercial carbines are marked Howa. I think the screw for the front sling swivel attaches to something that is attached to the barrel.

[kcw]

outstanding explanation.....now, it does have a mark in the inside of the slider wich is "P1" or "PI" and in the outside there is another mark "C" and a number and under the barrel there is a bunch of letters and numbers disorderly place : H Y 2 M and two number 2 upsidedows kinda wird.....

I believe that PI stamped slides were made by Inland, one of the WWII contractors.

[papadura6969]

There is a ring with a thread that goes in the barrel and a bolt that goes through the handguard:::I will send pics...

[papadura6969]

this is how the barrel stays in place after the recoil.

[papadura6969]

These are the weird markings under the barrel....

[Johnny in Texas]

PAPADURA6969 what you have is what is known as a sporterized M1 carbine. Sporterized is a term that means to take a military rifle and remove extra weight and modify parts and finish to make it look more like a commercial hunting rifle. I use the term BUDDA-IZED meaning done in someone's garage. BUBBA-TYPE instead of proto-type is a one of a kind spoterized rifle done with questionable skill at gunsmithing. Since your carbine functions well I would leave it as is.
Thanks for posting!

[Allen]

I have 3 IP carbines. Unfortunately one of them has been blued. It's hard to find guns that have survived so many years w/o some type of modification such as initials carved in the stock, SS numbers scribed into the metal, miss-matched parts from arsenal rebuilds, refinishing and in your case sporterized.

[papadura6969]

Thanks to all of you for the usefull comments and advices that make gun enthusiast do it better and safer, now I now it is a fantastic gun made in America, I´ve been watching some reviews in youtube and it´s interesting how many gun experts prefer this rifle over others of higher power........Thanks again.

[papadura6969]

Thanks Johnny in Texas for that explanation.....I´ll keep in mind your professional advice.....

[Johnny in Texas]

No matter the configuration you have a nice USGI M1 Carbine made during WWII. While the monetary value was reduced by the modifications made, the sentimental value is I'm sure more than I could afford.
Thanks for sharing!

What Country are in?

[papadura6969]

you are right the sentimental value is a top and been part of the history makes this gun a keeper specially if it is part of the WWII and as an avid admirer of that war I will cherish it with pride of been a fine piece of American industry......

Born rise and live in El Salvador with pride and joy, but love the US, I lived there for a couple of years and it was an awesome experience, fine american people.

[3589]

This was a very enjoyable post , it was an honor to read it.

Bob

[70ish]

.....unfortunately the serial No is worn out, I don´t know if it is age worn or intentionally erased…

Sounds like trouble…?

[Tuna]

Sounds more like it was buffed when the carbine was reblued. No uncommon with post war rebuilding to sporting use military rifles. Many of the old NRA and DCM carbines were converted when they were first bought years ago. This seems to be the case down in Central America too.

[Sunray]

It's nearly a year old.

[70ish]

I was thinking more of the ATF and firearms with a serial number removed.

[Conductor]

I was thinking more of the ATF and firearms with a serial number removed.

Yep. Possession of a firearm with the serial number removed is a federal felony, and can get you some hard time in the house of do-right. The very least that would happen if you get caught with it is that it will be confiscated. There is also most likely a state law where you live that makes it a state crime to own such a gun.

[Tuna]

The original poster is in Central America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Allen]

Yep. Possession of a firearm with the serial number removed is a federal felony, and can get you some hard time in the house of do-right. The very least that would happen if you get caught with it is that it will be confiscated. There is also most likely a state law where you live that makes it a state crime to own such a gun.

Talk about getting your panties in a wad. I have a Remington Nylon 66 from the mid 60's. Bought it new---it has no serial number and was made that way.

[Allen]

The original poster is in Central America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bought some M1 carbine barrels from a seller on ebay years ago. They are all commercial with most being the original Universal version (USGI compatible), Plainfield, one PMC, one that was never rifled (tight-measures .280), some that were made from surplus 1903 barrels (2 grove and 4 grove), and a few others that are unmarked. They were all heavily used and most have nasty bores from foreign ammo. Some have dovetails professionally cut on them. I asked the seller WTF, where did these come from? I bought about 100, all from the same seller and they all appeared to have come from the same source because they all had a black tar like residue (not cosmoline) in the bores from the nasty foreign ammo. Some had what looks like yellow paint in the bores??? Anyway, the seller said the only info he had was that they came from the "Bay of Pigs" conflict. I don't know if the U.S. supplied these carbines or what. This seller also had 100's of late Inland receivers, all demilled. He had no GI barrels and no commercial demilled receivers. My point is, maybe there is a connection between my little stash and the gun mentioned in this thread being from Central America. Perhaps the U.S. gave guns to Cuba and CA for their conflicts?

[Conductor]

Talk about getting your panties in a wad. I have a Remington Nylon 66 from the mid 60's. Bought it new---it has no serial number and was made that way.

Nothing in a wad here. Missed the part that he was in Central America.

No problem with your Remington. Rifles and shotguns were not required to have serial numbers until 1968.

[emmagee1917]

It's not a problem to have a gun with no serial number . It IS a problem to have one with the number removed or altered .
Chris