Remington Rand

[sdcj6]

I need some help with a RR I am considering buying. Any information that would help with the value I would appreciate.
Here's some pictures.
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If I need to take more pictures let me know what is needed and I will post them.
Thanks

[stan4]

Hard to tell from your pictures, but the metal finish on the slide (if it is original---the final metal preparation before parkerizing) looks early for a 1.4 million?

[sdcj6]

It does have a very fine finish on the whole gun. It seems to have uniform wear on the entire weapon. It came from a person who has owned it from the late 50's. He has done nothing other than shoot it occasionally. I think (and hope) that it is the original finish, it is more of a black color than the green of a parkerized color.

[Johnny P]

If it has a lot of grease or oil on it that will make the finish appear darker.

[sdcj6]

I wiped it down to take pictures so it wouldn't have too much glare. Most parkerizing that I have seen has a blasted base and this has what looks more like a sanded finish or dulitestyle.

[gfguns]

sdcj6
From what I see in your pictures I would bet it is the original finish. I have seen a lot of Remington Rands that have that smooth look and feel to the finish especially those that have seen considerable use and handleing. This pistol appears to have been handled and fired quite a bit because of the browning and thinning of the finish which appears to be very honest wear. It was later in production that the finish lightened a bit with a greenish grey look. Like Johnny indicated oil will darken the finish. If I were you I would wipe the pistol down with solvent especially the serial number, FJA and the crossed cannons and then check them with a flashlight to look for the white metal (burnised) caused by being stamped after the finish was applied. Look in the mag well at the staking of the plunger tube and the grip screw bushings for bright metal. Look at the feed ramp which should be in the white. Post pictures of the feed ramp and the small parts (hammer, grip safety, main spring housing, thumb safety) so we can let you know if they are correct. Check the bbl to make sure it is HS or F marked on the right lug. You will have to check wear patterns between adjacent parts to make sure they match up. You indicated the wear between the slide and frame appeared to match but you pictures did not show that very well. The slide is correct having the 3rd roll mark for that serial range but in some of the pictures it appeared the slide had less wear than the frame but again the pictures make it tough to tell for sure. Lastly if you dont already have it and you are going to collect or want to learn more about authenticating military 1911's and 1911A1's I suggest you pick up a copy of Charles Clawsons 3rd edition of Colt .45 Service Pistols. It is a great guide but for some issues I still have to tap the knowledge of the more experienced collectors on forums such as this. If you check out the items I mentioned and post some more pictures I will give you my opinion of value. The only way for an experienced collector to give a truly accurate value he or she would need to have the pistol in hand and field strip it but that isn't always possible.


I wiped it down to take pictures so it wouldn't have too much glare. Most parkerizing that I have seen has a blasted base and this has what looks more like a sanded finish or dulitestyle.

[Johnny P]

From all the bright edges the pistol appears to have spent some serious time in a holster recently. As the finish becomes polished it takes on a slightly different color.

[gfguns]

The feed ramp should be milled and final polished but sometimes this happens
http://www.gunauction.com/buy/8792790/

[sdcj6]

The feed ramp is in the white. I will take more pictures this weekend and post them.

[sdcj6]

Some more pictures, sorry it took so long.
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http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn144/turnersandiego/20140802_165036_resized.jpg (http://s303.photobucket.com/user/turnersandiego/media/20140802_165036_resized.jpg.html)
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Had a really hard time showing the ramp, it is polished and in the white.

[gfguns]

The bbl is correct and also the slide stop. cant see the thumb safety MSH or the hammer. Did you check the serial number and Cross cannons for broken finish. It looks to me like original finish and if so and all original parts I would put its value @ $1250.00