1940 Commercial

[Shooter5]

http://www.montywhitley.com/antique_arms_fine_sporting_guns/colts/2683

Any comments?

[stan4]

Nice box. I was hoping to see a Swartz Safety pistol :)---maybe next time. The price might be a little high?

[Ed P]

Wow, $6950 for a commercial, seems high..

[John HOLBROOK]

Here is my Dad's 1940 Colt GM 199065. It does not have the Swartz Safety.The slide was replaced because he had to pistol whip one of his deputies for getting in a drunken gunfight at a party. The slide was bent in under the ejection port. I had it refinished and engraved by the late Bill Adair some years ago....

http://www.fototime.com/%7BC4271C13-B48B-4193-8B14-E1CC117D60E6%7D/origpict/Texas%2520Trio.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/%7B56704008-DD8C-4C06-851D-5F2B752715EC%7D/origpict/DSC00024.JPG

[joem]

http://www.montywhitley.com/antique_arms_fine_sporting_guns/colts/2683

Any comments?

That guy is reall proud of his stuff.

[stan4]

Here is my Dad's 1940 Colt GM 199065. It does not have the Swartz Safety.The slide was replaced because he had to pistol whip one of his deputies for getting in a drunken gunfight at a party. The slide was bent in under the ejection port. I had it refinished and engraved by the late Bill Adair some years ago....

http://www.fototime.com/%7BC4271C13-B48B-4193-8B14-E1CC117D60E6%7D/origpict/Texas%2520Trio.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/%7B56704008-DD8C-4C06-851D-5F2B752715EC%7D/origpict/DSC00024.JPG

John,

Is the GM receiver cut for the Swartz safety?

Best Regards,

[John HOLBROOK]

John,

Is the GM receiver cut for the Swartz safety?

Best Regards,

No it is NOT. I have examined many in this serial number range and some are and some are not! Many of the prewar Colts were converted to military use and most I have seen had the Swartz cuts... Like this one, which has refinished..

http://www.fototime.com/%7BA6540D82-530D-40A5-936C-7391771C8309%7D/origpict/DSC00200.JPG

[stan4]

No it is NOT. I have examined many in this serial number range and some are and some are not! Many of the prewar Colts were converted to military use and most I have seen had the Swartz cuts... Like this one, which has refinished..

http://www.fototime.com/%7BA6540D82-530D-40A5-936C-7391771C8309%7D/origpict/DSC00200.JPG

John,

Interesting. Do you have a Colt letter on this one? I have examined about 10 within about 800 numbers of yours. All but one were cut. The one is a Brazilian, about 100 away from yours. (As you know, these were not assembled or shipped in order.)

Best Regards,

[Johnny P]

Shipment on any of the Colt C/M 1911A1 pistols will show shipment to Springfield Armory. Did the Brazilian have a U.S. military serial number?

Most of the foreign contract pistols, like the Brazilian contract, were not fitted with the Swartz Safety.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2d1lee1.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/zsnxqo.jpg

[stan4]

Shipment on any of the Colt C/M 1911A1 pistols will show shipment to Springfield Armory. Did the Brazilian have a U.S. military serial number?

Most of the foreign contract pistols, like the Brazilian contract, were not fitted with the Swartz Safety.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2d1lee1.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/zsnxqo.jpg

I realize the confusion here. I am in the GM Swartz safety (SS) track, and some of the threads here, introduced the C/M pistols (the 6575 GM's transferred to the 1942 military contract). That is understandable, the C/M's are a large portion of the pistols in the SS range (C185006-C215083). (However, because very few SS were installed prior to C190000, there is only about 25000 pistols actually in the SS range.)

I am not aware of a C/M that is a Brazilian, or a Brazilian that became a C/M. I am aware of Brazilians that were recovered from battlefields in Italy and were refurbished for the U.S. Army.

As far as I know (AFAIK), all the C/M pistols were cut for the SS. AFAIK, all the pistols shipped to Argentina in the SS range were cut for the SS. AFAIK, all the pistols sold in the U. S. (commercially), in the SS range, were cut for the SS. AFAIK, all the pistols shipped to Brazil and Mexico, in the SS range, were not cut for the SS. I believe this is because Brazil and Mexico had contracts that ordered the pistols without the SS. While most of the other countries, purchasing pistols in the SS range, were supplied with pistols that had already been assembled with the SS. Yes, there could be exceptions. The question here is;---What is C199065? Is it an exception? When was it assembled? When (and to who) was it shipped? (I know you could send a pistol back to Colt and have the SS installed.)

Best Regards,

[Johnny P]

John,

Interesting. Do you have a Colt letter on this one? I have examined about 10 within about 800 numbers of yours. All but one were cut. The one is a Brazilian, about 100 away from yours. (As you know, these were not assembled or shipped in order.)

Best Regards,

There must have been be two different questions here and I didn't know when you skipped from one to the other. I thought the question was on the C/M pistols (pictured) "with all the numbers being within 800 numbers except the Brazilian".