real M24 on the CMP auction

[chuckindenver]

US marked long action 700, with bolt, no trigger, and wrong barrel available on the CMP auction...
last time i looked it was over 700.00

[chuckindenver]

http://auction.odcmp.com/auctions/detail.asp?id=2071&pic=0#img

[Badgerord]

Not an M24, the first production run M24's began with "C" prefix Serials. this is a 6 mil S/N way before 1985

Marty

[chuckindenver]

long action 700 Remington US marked, and a parkerized finish..
if i had more money right now, id be all over that rifle.

[1shot]

Not an M24, the first production run M24's began with "C" prefix Serials. this is a 6 mil S/N way before 1985

Marty

Marty You are 100% correct. I have two of the M-24's. They were from the contract over runs in 1995. There were 45 rifles in that batch. They were sold to PD's or PD distributors. Both of these rifles serial numbers start with C6702XXX. When I recieved mine, they even had the government build tag (Custom Shop Ticket) in the box. The customer name: U.S. Gov't. Order Date: 09/20/95;
700 SWS 7.62 NATO; REC. Drilled & Tapped for (8 - 40) Screw; 76 of 100; RAMAC # 5716.

The other build tag reads the same but has; 70 of 100.

Weren't the first M-24's fielded in 1988?

Regards,

John

[kurtflys]

I did not know that civiliand could own A M24.. But I would if I could=)

[chuckindenver]

im going to call the CMP and ask them if its a short or long action.
hard to tell from the crappy pictures.
the barrel is just screwed on the end, and not indexed..

[bd1]

It looks like a standard (.30-06) length action to me but I have to puzzle how an assembly like that found its way into the "system," if it did.

[1shot]

I did not know that civiliand could own A M24.. But I would if I could=)

Its one of those things about being at the right place at the right time and knowing the right people. When the Gov't decided they did not want the 45 over runs, they stipulated that the rifles could only be released to Law Enforcment Agencies or Law Enforcement Distributors. I knew some of the folks at one of the distributors and the rest is history. These were sold as rifles only, not the complete system. It took me a couple of years to get everything for two complete systems.

Regards,

John

[chuckindenver]

hmmmm..
heres what i was told by Remington...
many US PROPERTY marked 700,s were made. some whent to the military contracts. some went to other places. US Game and fish, FBI. CIA, ect..
not all were combat rifles.
heres a good example..
M700 short action USP marked, sent to the WY game and fish, used for a few years, and then endes up sold as surplus property, got the barrel changed to another cal, ends up in a pawn shop, minus the bolt, gets sold for a song..

or, another.
first run of 700PSS rifles were sold to LE, and other..they mark the box police and military only.
a swat team hopeful buys one new, provides his Police ID to get said rifle, gets into some trouble with other aspects of the job,{ hookers, money ect} gets canned from the PD. and pawns 3 of his rifles, the 700PSS, and M1A, and a Winchester 94 Big bore in 375.
lucky guy gets a call from owner of said pawn shop, and buys all 3 for 600.00
or,
CMP ends up with a couple examples of the 700 USP marked, barreled receivers, some 40X team rifles, some Winchester M70 USP marked.. puts them up for auction.
someone steps up, buys one..and gets it with paperwork and all.
giving said rifles, paper work from the Gov.. hard to disprove that..
belive or not..that does happen.

[Badgerord]

Kurtflys,

You can get an M24, you just don't want to pay for it, Rifle ONLY, about $3800.
Let me know.

1shot, Mike Rock Barrels had the first M24 Contract is late 1985 for cut rifled barrels.

Marty

[kurtflys]

I know you can get a gun that looks like a M24, but will it be marked like a M24, and be listed with a military serial number?

[Badgerord]

M24's are available with all correct markings, they have not used the "U.S." markings since the first contract, but the other markings "M700 M24" are on the receiver. I was offered anotherone just last month from a Remington contact and I purchased one about 3 years ago.

Marty

[chuckindenver]

the M40 or the M24 wasnt marked as such....
they were both marked 700 , and U.S. or US PROPERTY.
roll stamped.
or electro engraved such..{not vibro tool}

[Bsully]

The M24 is indeed and has always been marked M24 on the receiver just aft of the Remington mark.

[Bsully]

The amazing thing is the receiver is over $4500.00. I guess someone thinks it is something. Possibly an M40. A FOIA check of the DOD central registry shows the gun was Air Force Property. Something to keep in mind in the future when it shows up as an "original" USMC sniper. It is just beyond the Marine contract and into the "trials" range for the Army, Airforce and Sionics. There is a rifle 29 numbers away in Senich's book tested at Benning as a suppressed rifle from Sionics. The number is however specifically listed in the DOD as an Air Force Property "inactive record". Serial number 6257301 is the one at auction.

[Badgerord]

M40's are not marked because they are NOT a manufactured rifle as such, it is a designation given by the Corps, The M24 however is a rifle manufactured as an M24 and sold to Uncle.

These are the real markings on an M24 circa 1998http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc162/badgerord/M241012.jpg

A lot but not all Electro penciled US Prop marked rifles are fake, beware!

The Receiver for sale on the CMP site is a REAL M40 receiver it is a short action and clip slot. Some one is going to be very happy!

Marty

[Badgerord]

BSully,

The first contract of "M40" really called M700 Snipers were procured by the Air Force and some transfered to the Corps. The 6 Mil # was much to late to make it into Trial as the earliest S/N range for the Marine rifles is 220K-325K ish.

Thew CMP receiver is clipslotted and if it is a Air Force contact gun it is possible that it made its way to the Corps, just not likely. Besides, Airforce sniper rifles are more rare than Marine corps rifles.:1948:

Marty

[Bsully]

Marty,
The "trials" in my post refers specifically to the suppressor trials/testing and night vision mounting trials/testing rifles not to the initial "trials" rifles pre procurement. The Army, the Air Force and Sionics procured the rifles from Remington as the deliverys to the Corp were all but over by the time they were doing the tests.
The Air Force rifles, the Army Rifles and the Navy ADL M40 rifles are all rare but dont have the romance of the USMC rifles. Most people would see an ADL M40 and say "wow, too bad you have the wrong stock on it." They do however exist. If the rifle went from one branch to another it would be more likely it came from the Corp to the Air Force as the DOD record is from 1982. It is most likely it was a direct shipment to the Air Force. There were a few late M40 rifles (6mil range) that have been awarded as trophys by the Corp but it is estimated that very few of the 6 mil rifles were shipped to the Corp.

[chuckindenver]

rifle at auction is pretty close to the serial of mine..
mine is rollstamped U.S. PROPERTY just above the serial.

[chuckindenver]

over 4,600.00 wow....

[BigMo]

Chuck:
I'm not trying to start an arguement here. I'm just curious to hear your opinion....
So your thought on this receiver is that is, clearly, some sort of gov't receiver but not a M24 as it isn't marked as such?

What serial number ranges do you have as far as the gov't contracts? Or no? Does anybody? Badgerord?

Thanks

[chuckindenver]

on the receiver sold by the CMP??its a M40. 1967 date. dont know its history.
Remington doesnt have any info. or at least wont share it.
serial numbers? havnt a clue. other then looking at the actuall Gov history and every rifle,
youd have to have the serial number, and have as search done at Redstone, they have all the small arms records, they may or maynot have that..freedom of information act will get that done.
but..likely it wont happen fast.
Remington marked many guns, and acc, U.S. or US PROPERTY. from M700,s M720,s 513,s 870,s , M31,s M51,s to hand clay bird throwers, and other acc,s.
but, not all were actually sent to the military, they were known to make more then needed, and sell the rest to other Gov, branches. from state owned gunclubs, to postal security.

[jmoore]

BigMo, please see Bsully's previous post (#16 in this thread)as to this action's last known gov't issuance. It was USAF property.

[BigMo]

Thanks! Yes, I saw that.
I was wondering someone had or knew of a book that had some sort of listing for the serial numbers of the M24's and/or M40's and not just this one. I have several articles about them both but no sort of listing of serial numbers.

I did find Bsullys', 1shot and Badgerords' posting very helpful though...........

[jmoore]

There are historians who have gathered fairly extentive listings, but they haven't seen fit to leak that info at this time. Maybe one day!

[chuckindenver]

if you call Remington and are lucky enough to get someone who,s knows...they will tell you.
i was lucky to talk with a lead smith that has been at Remington for 30 plus years..
and took the chance at picking his brain, wish i could go back, and ask more questions.
this was last summer, i sent my dads, heavy barrel 25-06 BDL for a bolt replacement.
he called to tell me about the rifle... very nice guy, said, that before 91 he inspected most if not all heavy barreled 700,s before they left the door.