Sling swivels on Carbine stock, V cut flip sight questions

[cplnorton]

I picked an original five digit Inland. Serial is 14,558.

I noticed a couple things that I was curious if you guys have seen before.

First it has the V notch on the taller flip sight. I know this was usually considered a field mod and I've seen this only done on early carbines. Have you guys ever figured when this was done? I found a website that lists this was done in the Pacific, but I didn't know if anyone here has anymore info on this on who did it, or any patterns that were seen?

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180417_zpsd80bd38e.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180418_zps879b4556.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180415_zps1847bb3d.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180414_zps200329c2.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180422_zpsdfdbfdec.jpg

The second is the one that I sort of don't get. And the thing that has me curious is I have seen other early carbines like this as well. This one has had sling swivels added at one time and the sling holder on the barrel band was removed. I think many of would just write that off as a bubba mod done post WWII. But I'm wondering since I have seen this done on other early carbines, maybe they couldn't get slings for them early in the war, and maybe this was a field mod as well? The other one I know of is done the exact same way, and is also early. So seeing a pattern, I thought maybe this was possibly GI done instead of Bubba. Especially if they didn't get slings in the field before the rifles started arriving. I don't know if the rifles were shipped with slings when new? It was just curious to me seeing a pattern, and both were very early rifles. It makes me almost wonder if they couldn't get slings early on and just did a field mod.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180429_zpsed24c7eb.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180426_zpsd1948528.jpg


What do you guys think?

[cplnorton]

A few more pics.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180395_zps1aea45e4.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180397_zps82813353.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180392_zps8e097597.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180390_zpsd9b8c87d.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180375_zps88b6f684.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180365_zpse9518ed7.jpg

[cplnorton]

The other thing I noticed on this, it has two P proof marks. Most I see only have one. Is this an early feature?

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180381_zpsdd1c6365.jpg

And two punch marks on the receiver.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180411_zpsa547e0fc.jpg

And man that early machining was sort of rough. :)

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180393_zpscd13a467.jpg

[ww321q]

I think the sight mod was done by any GI that didn't like how long it took to acquire target through a little hole. It was done any place they could find a file or saw not just the Philippines . I read that some of the early guns wouldn't pass inspection. Some rejects were later sent back through after repairing whatever was the problem. My M1 is a mix master I put together from parts.

[Tuna]

The modifications done to your carbine were mostly done post war. Someone probably used it for hunting and liked a V notch rear sight better then the peep sight. The stock being drilled for the sling attachments is 100% post war. Too bad as it appears to be all original too. The second proof P is from it being proof fired two different times during production. Most likely failed the first time with maybe a bad bolt or such and had to be done again when fixed. The same with the punch marks on the receiver. If the stock has been covered in poly then the best thing is to stripe it off, fill the two holes with walnut sawdust and some wood glue mixed and then use raw linseed oil on it. That should bring it back to original. Finding a correct type 1 swivel is not going to be easy but it can be done. Might take sometime like a few years to find one just don't be in a rush. With a little bit of work and sometime it can become a real valuable carbine again.

[cplnorton]

Thanks Tuna. Yeah it looks original. I'm not a huge expert on the real early stuff, in fact this the first early one I have see that I thought was all original. But the looks of it, nothing has been changed, it it has it has been minor. I just thought it was interesting seeing another early one really similar. But here are some more pics.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180441_zpsc6d10515.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180431_zpse3a189c2.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180433_zps95b387fb.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180430_zps4ca4ecd1.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180396_zpsa8c9cefe.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180394_zpsecfbee58.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180393_zpscd13a467.jpg

[cplnorton]

Here are the small parts from the trigger. I think the springs are all the early ones, but you guys would be better at telling than me. But everything looks right to me.


http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180388_zps2331ddec.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180370_zps8b0599a2.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180367_zpsb83e17c3.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180366_zps87857e54.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180365_zpse9518ed7.jpg

[cplnorton]

The stock has the IO and flaming bomb in the slingwell. I can barely make out the cross cannon cartouche in the slingwell as well. But its faint. You have to look at it in the right light to see it.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180405_zps78f4cb96.jpg



http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180372_zpsf95e7e47.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180391_zpsc4c7281f.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180383_zps223a62e8.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180385_zpsd29ac518.jpg

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/1942%20Inland%2014558%20Serial/P1180382_zps4abfa24c.jpg

[kcw]

A friend of mine as a similar Inland. ALL parts are the early factory originals. Not a single one of the many the later modified parts has been installed. It too has a V cut rear ap AND the side protectors on the front sight have been removed This was done for purposes of hunting. There were four brothers in the family that served in WWII. When the youngest boy was drafted for Korea, he arrived @ boot camp already fully versed in the use and maintenance of the 30 carbine.

[kar66]

You have what looks like a very nice original early carbine. I have one question, is your triggerhousing drilled for the hammer spring? I have read that about the first 10,000 were not drilled. I have a early one that isn't drilled and would like to know how late they were used.

[SPEEDGUNNER]

Your pictures, once again, are exemplary...nice carbine.

[Maniac]

I think the sight mod was done by any GI that didn't like how long it took to acquire target through a little hole. It was done any place they could find a file or saw not just the Philippines . I read that some of the early guns wouldn't pass inspection.

I have heard the same thing, a V notch rear and/or shortened ears on the front sight to enhance low-light target acquisition by a GI in the field. However, it does make sense that it might not pass inspection and would thus be turned in for repair or replacement.
This makes me wonder about my 4.7 QHMC which appears to be all original except for the large peep being drilled out to be larger. Makes me wonder if that was done to pass inspection so the GI could retain his preferred weapon? However, I can't say that I've heard any other carbine owners reporting peeps enlarged by drilling. :icon_scratch:

[gsp45]

cplnorton, seen this before. I actually have 3 originals with the same modification to the rear sight. Have 2 that have the front sight ears removed. And agree, most likely post war mods. What is most unusual to your early Inland, as has previouly been pointed out is the double proofing. Obviously there was an issue during acceptance process and had to go thru proof firing twice. Pretty cool, you dont see this very much. Nice early Inland.