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Here are a few photos of the my first M1 Garand acquisition. This is rifle was sold by CMP South to another individual in June of this year. I acquired it in late July. It has a February '43 barrel "In the white", the SN indicates it's a July '44 build. The bolt is a Revision 19, Heat Lot A8, and the Op Rod is a 65 Series. From my check of the head space with, Go, No-Go, and Field gauges, the barrel was finish reamed and headspace set with this bolt. I believe this rifle was rebarreled and headspaced to this bolt, and the Op Rod was installed at the same time. With the exception of these three parts, all other parts have the correct Drawing / Revision #s for a July '44 build.
The close ups of the Inspector's, Proof, and small Ordnance cartouche was done before I refinished the stock. The decision to refinish was made due to several long, relatively fresh unsightly scratches in the finish on the stock. After much research I choose to refinish using raw linseed oil (RLO), as the stock ages the red patina will reappear. The stock was not stained, the color is after application of RLO however I did use Vanderhave Formula XIX to color match the upper and forward hand guards.
The bayonet is a Union Fork and Hoe (UFH), I found it at a local Army Surplus store. It appears to have been NOS, as it was covered in cosmoline and the parkerizing is like new. It's not Greek Black, it's dark grey park. The M1923 Ammo belt is original WW-II, made by Harian Stitching Company (HSCO).
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Very nice presentation. Nice stock and looks like orig. park too.
At the risk of heresy (actually, the risk is probably greater on the CMP board), I'll stick my neck out and speculate that CMP scrounged up and supplied tne bolt, barrel, and op rod. Details are fuzzy, but CMP did that on some Garands to get them out the door. The -19 bolt with a 65 op rod for an arsenal rebuild early '50's would add up, but not the '43 barrel. Keep your CMP certificate close at hand for authentication.
It would be interesting to discover how a '43 barrel, that appears to be NOS ended up on this M1. I've since acquired a more correct Drawing / Rev / Heat Lot bolt with acceptable headspace (Field gauge). Eventually I'll procure the curved -9 Op Rod. But the barrel will always prevent this rifle from being correct. I've been keeping my eye out for a '44 barrel with good TE and ME numbers, that's in the white. But that's going to take a while to find. I'm hoping to stumble across a NOS WW-II barrel which requires finish reaming to make this rifle correct. I know that's a stretch, but there probably is one out there, I just need to find it.
Nice rifle, you've done well. Yours isn't to far from mine. My S/N is 2999885. My barrel is dated 3-44. I often wonder if it is the original barrel.
PeteDavis
10-31-2014, 05:54
Slightly O/T but in 2004 I received a H and R CMP Garand withan SA 9-43 barrel that was mint. I am sure they did it to get it out.
PD
About 5 years ago CMP sold appx 4,500 NOS SA M1 rifle barrels, short-chambered, to the public. Most were 1951 and 1952 dated, some 1955. However, customer reports appeared on the CMP board of a few 1944 barrels sprinkled among the deliveries. I don't recall 1943 being mentioned in those postings. The inventory CMP had ON HAND was described as replacement barrels.
About 5 years ago CMP sold appx 4,500 NOS SA M1 rifle barrels, short-chambered, to the public. Most were 1951 and 1952 dated, some 1955. However, customer reports appeared on the CMP board of a few 1944 barrels sprinkled among the deliveries. I don't recall 1943 being mentioned in those postings. The inventory CMP had ON HAND was described as replacement barrels.
I suppose it's possible this barrel came from that lot. Does anyone know if the CMP armorers keep records of the work they do on each rifle? Did the NOS barrels released by the CMP have chrome pads around the gas port? The barrel on my M1 is not chromed, the pads have the same parkerized finish as the rest of the barrel. As can be seen in the full length photof the receiver, the breech is in the white. Although it cannot be seen the chamber is white and the bore is perfect. No signs of a repark on this barrel.
About 5 years ago CMP sold appx 4,500 NOS SA M1 rifle barrels, short-chambered, to the public. Most were 1951 and 1952 dated, some 1955. However, customer reports appeared on the CMP board of a few 1944 barrels sprinkled among the deliveries. I don't recall 1943 being mentioned in those postings. The inventory CMP had ON HAND was described as replacement barrels.
I discovered this to be fact. I was able to find a fellow on the CMP forum who bought 12 of these barrels. Of the 12 he bought, 4 of them were NIW/NOS short chambered 1944 barrels. After a few PMs back and forth we settled on a price and he graciously sold me my Unicorn. I now have a SA 4 - 44 , NIW / NOS short chambered barrel to install on my July '44 Garand. I have also acquired a very nice bolt with the correct Drawing # Heat Lot to head space to this barrel. A new to me curved - 9SA Op Rod arrived last Friday. I may buy the required tools to replace the barrel and do the finish ream and set head space myself.
This might shine some light on your quest for answers.
Back, way back, in USMC ITR, I have my original bucket list of issued gear. I was issued M-1 # 2,792,5XX. I recall it was in poor condition, the barrel probably shot out using blanks in training. If it was to have been salvaged in any way, and end up at the CMP, the barrel would have definitely had to been changed.
Could be a series of M-1's with close by number sequences went through the same way.
HTH.
cplnorton
12-14-2014, 08:48
Uhurah, looks like are several close in that range.
2787394 042751SA (1-PIECE HANDGUARD TEST)
2787607 040946USMC - PARRIS ISLAND
2792112NM 10278274006 DCM SPECIAL PROGRAM
2793195 120150VPI PRESERVATION PROJECT
2796491 120150VPI PRESERVATION PROJECT
2799087 100648USMC - CAMP LEJEUNE
2799498 071753HQ US ARMY CARIBBEAN (FROM BA)
2800899 071753BTRY A 314TH AAA BATTN (LOST)
cplnorton
12-14-2014, 09:01
For the OP.
2984687 111846RARITAN ARS AIR GAGE TEST
2985183 120150VPI PRESERVATION PROJECT
2985731 053148CORNELL UNIV
2985731 0404491ST ARMY
2986348 083155TUFTS COLL (RECOIL TESTS)
2988658 042347USMC - ACCURACY TEST
2989943 090646SA FLASH HIDER TEST
2989943 090646SA FLASH HIDER TEST
2993236 050753CO B 364TH INF (LOST)
2999136 012992SA MUSEUM SPAR 3470
2999753 042347USMC - ACCURACY TEST
2999999 012992SA MUSEUM SPAR 4507
3000000 012992SA MUSEUM SPAR 1362
3003923 042347USMC - ACCURACY TEST
Viking Guy
12-14-2014, 11:07
Not mine, just happened to stumble across it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW2-USGI-M1-Garand-Barrel-Springfield-Armory-dated-7-44-/221616178737?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33995a8631
Hope this helps
For the OP.
2984687 111846RARITAN ARS AIR GAGE TEST
2985183 120150VPI PRESERVATION PROJECT
2985731 053148CORNELL UNIV
2985731 0404491ST ARMY
2986348 083155TUFTS COLL (RECOIL TESTS)
2988658 042347USMC - ACCURACY TEST
2989943 090646SA FLASH HIDER TEST
2989943 090646SA FLASH HIDER TEST
2993236 050753CO B 364TH INF (LOST)
2999136 012992SA MUSEUM SPAR 3470
2999753 042347USMC - ACCURACY TEST
2999999 012992SA MUSEUM SPAR 4507
3000000 012992SA MUSEUM SPAR 1362
3003923 042347USMC - ACCURACY TEST
My Garand falls betwen these two.
2988658 042347USMC - ACCURACY TEST
2989943 090646SA FLASH HIDER TEST
Too bad there isn't information showing the USMC had possession of all the rifles between these two SNs.
Thanks for posting.
Richard
Not mine, just happened to stumble across it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-WW2-USGI-M1-Garand-Barrel-Springfield-Armory-dated-7-44-/221616178737?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33995a8631
Hope this helps
I exchanged emails with this seller, the barrels he floated in the Bay didn't meet my criteria, particularly at his price point. The seller has a business, Correct Garand Service which appears to be primarily eBay based. There isn't much listed on the business website, but there are pages of stuff on eBay.
Correct Garand Service eBay Store (http://stores.ebay.com/correctgarandservice?_trksid=p2047675.l2563)
Richard
Viking Guy
12-14-2014, 01:02
Yeah, had no idea what your price point might be...worth a couple of emails anyway.
Yeah, had no idea what your price point might be...worth a couple of emails anyway.
My price point was much higher than $250 for the right barrel. I wanted a low TE / MW reading and a White Chamber / Breech Face with black non-chromed pads. None of the barrels offered on eBay met this criteria. I simply will not pay $250 for a used barrel I can get on the CMP forums for under $200.
We paid CMP $125 ea + shipping for those short-chambered SA replacement bbls.
We paid CMP $125 ea + shipping for those short-chambered SA replacement bbls.
From what I've seen on the CMP forum, those same barrels with the '50s date codes are selling for 3x what CMP sold them for 4 -5 years ago. The few WW-II date code barrels that escaped demand a premium price.
This might shine some light on your quest for answers.
Back, way back, in USMC ITR, I have my original bucket list of issued gear. I was issued M-1 # 2,792,5XX. I recall it was in poor condition, the barrel probably shot out using blanks in training. If it was to have been salvaged in any way, and end up at the CMP, the barrel would have definitely had to been changed.
Could be a series of M-1's with close by number sequences went through the same way.
HTH.
Off subject, but any idea how long the Marine Corps continued to use the M1 Garand for training at ITR ? I know they were using the M1 at ITR during the early and mid 60's, after the M14 became the service rifle and maybe even after the M14 was replaced by the M16, but I would like to know just when the practice ended.
Off subject, but any idea how long the Marine Corps continued to use the M1 Garand for training at ITR ? I know they were using the M1 at ITR during the early and mid 60's, after the M14 became the service rifle and maybe even after the M14 was replaced by the M16, but I would like to know just when the practice ended.
I occasionally see two brothers who went to PI about 1967. The next time I run into one of them I will try to ask.
phil evans
12-21-2014, 10:46
#29711xx Springfield (6/44)mixmaster,
7/43 SA barrel, from cmp 10-29-01, refurbished at tooele 7-64, honey birch stock, its a shooter.
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