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Saw this being auctioned this weekend.
http://www.auctionzip.com/aflive.html?method=getLotInfo&lotref=922B594CA2&seq=1
So what's it worth (other than what someone is willing to pay)
Steve
I like the description where it states that the rifle is in extremely good condition........... several lines below where it stated that the bore had some rust/pitting in it in one area.
DeWayne Hayes
11-22-2014, 06:21
Interesting to note that it once had a serial number - you can just see the beginning of a "4" but the marks were scrubbed and the heel re-stamped. The story behind these rifles is quite interesting!
I wonder why they didn't just use new receivers? Heck at least one of the M1 carbine makers & US&S made 1911A1 both made presentation arms up for company execs. & friends....I suspect that HRA didn't know that......
So, In the eyes of the ATF, a defaced firearm?
BATFE could actually perform a useful public service to go after fraudsters, forfeit their counterfeit articles, and put them out of business.
It is bogus as you can see by the H&R being completely wrong. Someone had this thing engraved and I doubt it is what they are saying. Rick B
"... a near excellent bore...nearly 99% remaining blending with light oxidation...a few light dings and fine handling marks...except for the trigger group..." That isn't a 'presentation' anything.
http://imageshack.com/a/img746/9305/HhAwOt.jpg
Johnny P
11-22-2014, 11:13
Build them and someone will buy them.
tom gray
12-01-2014, 05:27
It sold for $3500 plus 15% buyers premium. It looked OK, not fired as you would expect of a presentation rifle. I do not know if the markings as Rick pointed out are real because of what it is, or other issues. Interesting to hold/examine it tho I am no expert.
Tom
One sold at RIA almost exactly one year ago.
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/60/lid/1575
I can assure you this one is real. It belongs to a friend of mine. The 9 rifles are all numbered on the receiver, barrel and stock. As to the way the H&R is stamped, that is correct on that rifle. Bob Seijas wrote an article on the rifles in one of the early GCA journals and the heal is pictured.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d30/joewill4211/ONE%20of%20NINE/HRALMRONEofNINE1of2_zps7ed539ab.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d30/joewill4211/ONE%20of%20NINE/HRALMRONEofNINE2of2_zps03926463.jpg
Can you post a better picture of the heel? On this pix, though a lil fuzzy.. I do not see the ghost of earlier markings as was seen in the rifle in the auction....... I'm guessing but I'm wondering if someone tried to create a clone of the rifle you just showed.......... the ampersand is different from the auction rifle........
So are you saying they are all marked One of Nine? Are they also all scrubbed receivers? I could do this to a bunch of receivers and make up paperwork easily. Key is who etched them as they are not a stamp and were they etching in 55? To many iffs for me to buy one. Rick B
So are you saying they are all marked One of Nine? Are they also all scrubbed receivers? I could do this to a bunch of receivers and make up paperwork easily. Key is who etched them as they are not a stamp and were they etching in 55? To many iffs for me to buy one. Rick B
On the rear of the heal they are all marked the same, "1955, the two logos and One of Nine". Each of the nine rifles also are individually numbered. They are stamped on the bottom of the receiver near the barrel, and on the rear of the barrel with the number of the rifle (1 to 9). The same number is also stamped on the stock on the top, just to the rear of the clip latch cut out. Lets say the rifle was number 5 of 9, then it will be stamped with a 5 in the three locations mentioned.
As I said the rifle belongs to a friend. These are the only pictures I have. You should ask Bob Seijas about the " scrubbed receivers" as he has owned two of these rifles and knows of others.
Can you post a better picture of the heel? On this pix, though a lil fuzzy.. I do not see the ghost of earlier markings as was seen in the rifle in the auction....... I'm guessing but I'm wondering if someone tried to create a clone of the rifle you just showed.......... the ampersand is different from the auction rifle........
I think the top picture Rick posted is from the auction rifle. The "ampersand" on that rifle looks to be the same as the one on the rifle I posted and the one in Bobs article. Something like a backwards 7 with a loop on bottom left. I would like to know the number of the auction rifle. Bob Seijas states in his article that he was "able to track down several of these special rifles, and acquire two of them". So Bob would know the numbers of the two rifles he has and I know the number of my friends rifle. Bob said he was able to track down "several" so he may know the numbers of some others and who owns them. If the auction rifle is numbered and duplicates the known numbers then that would seem to indicate a problem.
GCA article by Bob Seijas with permission:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d30/joewill4211/ONE%20of%20NINE/HRALMRONEofNINE_zps00a29e24.jpeg
DeWayne Hayes
12-09-2014, 09:55
Read the photos of correspondence between Bob Seijas and various people on the Rock Island auction page (linked above). Very interesting, and mentions at one point fakers possibly scrubbing receiver heels and re-engraving ...
StockDoc
12-09-2014, 09:04
so does "1 0f 9" qualify as the Rifles Serial number? Sorry off topic but curious
PhillipM
12-10-2014, 01:37
Pre 68, no serial number required.
I'd sure hate to have to use only Bob's name in 20 years as I tried to explain to the feds or even a local prosecutor why I possessed a firearm with an altered serial number...........that's if bob was even alive in 3 years much less 20.........they'd laugh you off the witness stand.
StockDoc
12-14-2014, 10:39
makes sense to use a rejected receiver, since it was made as a wall mount and a good receiver was needed for the War effort (or Police action)
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