SRS Check

[Tdarmo]

First are Remington 1911's searchable through the SRS. I just purchased a type 3 Remington and was curious if there would be a hit. NO1034536 This gun rates at 99% except someone put wood grips on it Thanks for the help

[Tdarmo]

One more question I also have a Ithaca slide on a colt lower. Serial number No525727 There is a double A arsenal stamp on the frame. No P prof on frame just one on the slide. The finish on the gun matches and is old. My question is if it was rebuild would they prof stamp the frame?

[Duane Hansen]

This is in reference to your first post........You are speaking of a Remington Rand pistol and it is a 1911A1 not a 1911. Some folks could have started out thinking you were talking about an earlier Remington-UMC 1911 pistol.

An SRS hit would be highly unlikely

[Tdarmo]

ok thanks just a rookie poster

[Johnny P]

Rebuilds were nor proofed after rebuild. The barrels had been proofed when manufactured, and the Model 1911's only had a proof mark on the barrel.

[Tdarmo]

Trying to post pictures What a pain

[Shooter5]

Some more: partial list of current active duty issue from DOD. One in particular is rather amazing - guess which one? It would be interesting to see if any make an SRS hit.

2401839
2165129
2165129
1951044
1818895
1882946
1830426
1835136
1838689
1796423
1796471
1753795
1731288
1604861
1468419
1414729
1416748
1336198
1269905
1216638
1167804
1028925
1220459
97746
912626
775440
740404
678803
618407

[stan4]

Some more: partial list of current active duty issue from DOD. One in particular is rather amazing - guess which one? It would be interesting to see if any make an SRS hit.

2401839
2165129
2165129
1951044
1818895
1882946
1830426
1835136
1838689
1796423
1796471
1753795
1731288
1604861
1468419
1414729
1416748
1336198
1269905
1216638
1167804
1028925
1220459
97746
912626
775440
740404
678803
618407

Interesting. 678803? I know there are pistols numbered (in SRS volume 4) between 629500 and 700001. Other than the archive records, is there other documentation for these pistols?

Best Regards,

[Shooter5]

Not sure what you are asking; what specifically are you referring to by 'documentation'?
Uncle Sam owns them but doesn't tend to keep historical records on guns. That work has been done by collectors perusing the archives.

[Johnny P]

Interesting. 678803. I know there are pistols numbered between 629500 and 700001. Other than the archive records, is there other documentation for these pistols?

Best Regards,

What is the proof that there are pistols numbered between 629500 and 700001? While there may be numbers, I don't know that there are any pistols. Typos more than likely, or a Model 1903 Rifle number.

[Shooter5]

Additional:

1528349
1577123
1583334
1384828
1138274
1137962
1144585
1105515
1096429
1087574

[Shooter5]

What is the proof that there are pistols numbered between 629500 and 700001? While there may be numbers, I don't know that there are any pistols. Typos more than likely, or a Model 1903 Rifle number.
You want a pic?

[stan4]

What is the proof that there are pistols numbered between 629500 and 700001? While there may be numbers, I don't know that there are any pistols. Typos more than likely, or a Model 1903 Rifle number.

Johnny P,

Yes, more than likely. I have not examined a pistol between 629500 and 700001.

Best Regards,

[stan4]

You want a pic?

Shooter5,

Yes, please!

Best Regards,

[Shooter5]

You bet, will get around to it when we get a free minute. Depending on work and travel might not get to it until the new year. Although I can understand there may be typos, there is no way this a rifle. Soldiers take these out and load 45 ACP into detachable magazines for marksmanship practice. Not 30-06. These are current issue M1911A1 pistols still serving the nation on active duty in the United States Department of Defense. Still in an arms room. I would say Uncle Sam has got its moneys worth. As long as someone hasn't got too crazy (mis)reading serial numbers, there just may be some WW1 vets in amongst the midst. Which seems rather surprising - DOD requires daily inventory checks for weapons and that many eyeballs over the years reading the same receiver frame is unlikely to have gotten it wrong unless the number isn't that clear or has been altered. Have no idea why or how there could be a pistol from a block over the 630xxx (to 700xxx) range. Are you saying collectors have never seen ANY examples from that group?
Either way, it is something worth looking into. So the question becomes; what does that indicate to you serious collectors IF one of these M1911's turns up in actual existence? Does that require a re-write of the history books?

[Johnny P]

Somewhere around here I have a black and white photo of an Ithaca in the 9 million serial number range. It wasn't .30-06 either.

[Johnny P]

Two more mystery pistols recorded in SRS records as a Model 1911 is 636468 and 649855. These were probably made while the Colt machinery was coasting to a stop following WWI.

[Shooter5]

The armorer thinks 678 might be 878, he wants to take a look at it. 97 has what appears to be "OB" stenciled near the takedown pin hole; its been striped down for gauging/inspection. What does "M-P" stamped on the frame mean? Were M1911s re-configured into M1911A1 with the trigger guard frame scallops cut out? If so, When and where arsenal was that done?
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[Johnny P]

A proposal was made to reconfigure all the Model 1911 receivers to 1911A1 specifications, but Ordnance turned the proposal down. Still some armories did this, and most seem to be late Anniston Army Depot rebuilds. M-P occasionally shows up on slides, but I am not aware that it's meaning is known. The marking by the mag release opening doesn't look very uniform for the letters OB.

[Shooter5]

618 has 'm-p' on the slide and 97 has it on the frame as does the 618xxx. Guessing they thought it wise to test these really old frames at some point since they were WW1 era mfg. Its really quite amazing to see them still in service! The inspection stamp near the magazine release seems to be obliterated, likely due to the refinishing process, perhaps having been done more than once over the years.
Why does 618xxx have the 'United States Property' stamp near the serial number and 97xxx have it on the left side of the receiver?

[kwill]

It may not be relevant to the M1911 or M1911A1 rebuilds being discussed but in modern parlance M-P or PM or variations thereof usually mean the piece has gone through a magnaflux or magnetic particle test to find cracks or defects that can't be seen with the naked eye.

[Shooter5]

Magnaflux testing makes eminent sense!

[Shooter5]

It was a typo: It was 878xxx! (And they have been Magnetic Particle tested. Good call)