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[LAH]

Thank you :hello:

SA dated 9-27 BRL

[Herschel]

srs showsl 1903 #309121 as follows: 052832 Consulate TREBIZONE It is not shown to be RI so would be a Springfield Armory made rifle. I don't know what the odds would be that they left of the RI in the listing.

[Rick the Librarian]

It does happen - I have SA #78180 which got an SRS "hit" as serving with the 10th Cavalry in the early 1920s. In reality, the rifle was in private hands starting about 1908. The SRS listing is obviously for RIA #78180. It would be interesting to know how many "Springfields" listed in SRS are in reality RIAs.

[Emri]

Rick,
I did not know that SRS bothered to differentiate from RI and SA at all. Do some entries list specifically RIA rifles ?

Loy,

Are there any other USMC features to your rifle besides parkerizing and the dink in front of the S.N. ??
I have a SA USMC rifle with a 9/27 barrel. Also have a RI USMC rifle in the S.N. range of yours. Don't remember the barrel date on it.


Emri

[Rick the Librarian]

Yes, they do. Here's a sample:

2289RI 06171211TH INF (TURNED IN)
2297 03 08CO F USCC
2381 021623TRP C 5TH CAV
2409RI 031627USATC - CO F 15TH INF
2435 030823CO C 25TH INF
2435 010825CO C 25TH INF
2495RI 031627USATC - CO E 15TH INF
2504 112127FT HANCOCK TO 1ST ENGR
2523 0111173RD IOWA INF TO HARLINGEN OD
2542 030212CO G 20TH INF (TURNED IN)
2561 06131211TH INF (TURNED IN)
2592RI 050423165TH INF NY NG
2592RI 073023165TH INF NYNG TO RARITAN ARS
2603RI 050423165TH INF NY NG

I did contact SRS with my evidence that #78180 they list is undoubtedly a Rock Island, but they weren't interested.

78180 031223TRP C 10TH CAV

http://www.fototime.com/C5B9C7751CD131B/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/2822F26162AD25C/standard.jpg

[Fred]

"I did contact SRS with my evidence that #78180 they list is undoubtedly a Rock Island, but they weren't interested"

That's pretty messed up for them to be like that. Frank Mallory would've been Very appreciative of that information.

[Rick the Librarian]

It was "hard" information - I did the research on this rifle for a magazine article and, with the help of friends and family of the original owner, established that the rifle had been in private hands the whole time. I agree that SRS has gone downhill since Franklin Mallory passed away.

[RCS]

Rick, Anything in your SRS on my two Rock Island rebuilds: s/n 3670 and s/n 3576 ?

Fred, things changed after Frank died

[Fred]

If I was a Gazillionaire, I'd try to purchase the records from SRS and reestablish it again under the guidance and management of someone who'd be more in tune with collectors. With a Really Nice income too!

[Rick the Librarian]

Rick, Anything in your SRS on my two Rock Island rebuilds: s/n 3670 and s/n 3576 ?



RCS: Nada to both, unfortunately.

[LAH]

Rick,
I did not know that SRS bothered to differentiate from RI and SA at all. Do some entries list specifically RIA rifles ?

Loy,

Are there any other USMC features to your rifle besides parkerizing and the dink in front of the S.N. ??
I have a SA USMC rifle with a 9/27 barrel. Also have a RI USMC rifle in the S.N. range of yours. Don't remember the barrel date on it.


Emri

Emri

Just the hatcher hole on the left side.

30180

[John Beard]

Having had experience digging through records in the National Archives, the manufacturer is seldom listed with the serial number in Ordnance documents. It wasn't until many years later that the Chief of Ordnance issued a directive to report manufacturer with the serial number. And even then, it wasn't always followed.

Frank Mallory captured the data just as he found it. He wisely left it up to the reader/rifle owner to sort it out.

J.B.

[Rick the Librarian]

Generally, I agree it is best to leave "data" along (and I also understand the difficulty of differentiating SA from RIA). However, I feel SRS should be a little more "amenable" when presented with "hard" researched data, such as I had.

[PeteDavis]

Well especially that one, since it is a Springfield so to speak.

[Ed Byrns]

Duplicate serial numbers and Springfield Armory
Things I know:
The US Cavalry was the best at documenting whether a rifle in their possession was of SA or RIA,especially since their consolidation by Congress' mandate in 1920.The problem became most evident to SA in the late 1920 with complaints of duplicate
number rifles during inventories,which SA made mandatory because of serious inspection procedure not being followed .In some cases SA drew back the RIA and replaced it with a SA.SA decided to fix this problem,forever ,as they thought, by sending the RIA rifles to places they would never come back into their system.The best places were the USMC and long overseas assignments of US troops.
Frank Mallory did a incredible job ,since he used a pencil and a yellow legal pad to keep numbers.I firmly believe it could not be done again unless you had a few life times to try it.
I know nothing about SRS today and how it works.
Respectfully submitted
Ed Byrns

[LAH]

:hello:

[Fred]

Yes, they do. Here's a sample:

2289RI 06171211TH INF (TURNED IN)
2297 03 08CO F USCC
2381 021623TRP C 5TH CAV
2409RI 031627USATC - CO F 15TH INF
2435 030823CO C 25TH INF
2435 010825CO C 25TH INF
2495RI 031627USATC - CO E 15TH INF
2504 112127FT HANCOCK TO 1ST ENGR
2523 0111173RD IOWA INF TO HARLINGEN OD
2542 030212CO G 20TH INF (TURNED IN)
2561 06131211TH INF (TURNED IN)
2592RI 050423165TH INF NY NG
2592RI 073023165TH INF NYNG TO RARITAN ARS
2603RI 050423165TH INF NY NG

I did contact SRS with my evidence that #78180 they list is undoubtedly a Rock Island, but they weren't interested.

78180 031223TRP C 10TH CAV

http://www.fototime.com/C5B9C7751CD131B/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/2822F26162AD25C/standard.jpg

Rick, that rifle and the other stuff are Fantastic! :banana100: :headbang: :icon_salut:

[TDP0311]

I won the auction for the rifle originally mentioned in this post, been looking for an SRS hit for a long time. Besides the Hatcher Hole and typical WWII rebuild USMC finish, it has the Rockwell Hardness Test punch mark and a B2 bolt as seen from the pictures. I'll post some more here when she gets in.