Check out this M1903

[cwbuff]

I have not seen one like this in quite some time. See Gun Auction #13357674.

[Rick the Librarian]

When I tried to look the auction up, I was told by GB it is no longer in the system.

[1563621]

www.gunauction.com › Guns For Sale - C&R › Rifle

item:13357674 guns for sale - c&r : springfield armory ~ u.s. model 1903....very scarce, - completely original as mfd in 1907...c&r...no re

[cwbuff]

Here is the link http://www.gunauction.com/buy/13357674/

[Promo]

Something is wrong with that stock. The P proof should be script - or am I'm wrong?

[RCS]

My SA 160963 with a SA 2-07 barrel also has the CCV cartouche on a no-bolt stock and circle non serif P proof3064130642306433064430645

[Fred]

Great photos!

[Emri]

Something is wrong with that stock. The P proof should be script - or am I'm wrong?

That is a very good question. I would have stated that the proof "P" should be script but then RCS showed his which appears plain also.

I checked in John's book, "Service Rifle Production and Alteration 1905-1910" and could not find any mention of the final proof markings.

I did note that that rifle assembly had fallen way behind receiver production. It is interesting to note that RCS's rifle # 160963 has a barrel date of 2-07. The rifle shown in the auction, #231520 has a barrel date of 6-07.

The first RECIEVER numbered in January 1907 was # 269451.

Maybe John will tell us about the final proof markings.


Emri

[Rick the Librarian]

I didn't notice the block P until it was pointed out. I'd be curious, as well.

I have #230,477, also in the same "time frame" as the auction rifle, although not in as good of condition. The rifle has a BHM (see below) and a VERY faint script P. It has a 1908 30-06 barrel.

http://www.fototime.com/F51E7ED4C11E12B/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/4F4C1D46D161EF2/standard.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/0CE00CF80E4F51A/standard.jpg

This rifle, which I purchased from a member of this forum, had one of the most interesting "sales requirements" ever - the seller wanted me to display the rifle, when I first got it, with "THE" Afghan!! LOL!

http://www.fototime.com/075EB44EF84E135/standard.jpg

[Roadkingtrax]

Nice rifle for sure. As are those posted here.

The hairline crack behind the receiver tang, would that just be the result of the no-bolt stock configuration? Obviously the rifle has been shot, but not much.

[Smokeeaterpilot]

I've seen several Jack the Dogs auctions he always has very nice stuff aND amazing pictures.

[Emri]

I've seen several Jack the Dogs auctions he always has very nice stuff aND amazing pictures.

Yes he does, ( have nice stuff ), and I wish I had a "photo set-up" like his photographer uses. They ARE well made.

Waiting on JB to answer about the proof "P".

Emri

[John Beard]

Something is wrong with that stock. The P proof should be script - or am I'm wrong?

You're wrong.

J.B.

[Promo]

This is one time I'm happy that I'm wrong, thanks John! Is there any reason why CCV marked stocks do not have a script P?

[John Beard]

This is one time I'm happy that I'm wrong, thanks John! Is there any reason why CCV marked stocks do not have a script P?

During the 1906-08 period, Springfield used a block "P" proof mark. I don't know if it was continuous, or intermittent, i.e., mixed. But a rifle from the 1906-08 period can correctly have a block "P" proof mark.

J.B.

[Promo]

John, did they used the block P only with the CCV inspected stocks, or are you aware of other inspectors aswell?

[Rick the Librarian]

I have a 78,180 rifle with a 1-08 barrel, another one of the "updated" M1903/05s and it also has a "script" P.

[RCS]

I notice that my s/n 160963 (with no bolt CCV cartouched stock) has the early handguard without the groove and without the small S stamp at the rear, also my bolt is only marked S

The handguard on s/n 231520 has the small S stamp at the rear

I would like to see a photo of the inside of the stock on s/n 231520