Two more 1903's that I photographed...

[Fred]

The overcast sky today gave me a chance to take some photo's of two 1903's. One of these is a Very little used if any 1920 National Match 03 that was made for competition at Camp Perry in 1920. These rifles were available only to Military personnel. Civilians weren't allowed to buy any new National Match rifles until 1921. This rifle spent its life tucked away somewhere safe and avoided wear and tear for 95 years. It has a barrel date of 11-19. Fiscal Year of 1920 ran from July 1st 1919 to June 29th 1920, so Springfield Armory rifle 1181006 was made as a 1920 National Match rifle to be used in the 1920 Camp Perry Matches.
The other rifle has a barrel date of 11-17. It's in pretty nice condition for a rifle made that early in the war. I'm confident that all parts on it are original as assembled. Somehow, it has avoided any updates and hard use for 98 years

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[Fred]

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[Fred]

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[Fred]

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[Major Tom]

Good looking dog in one photo. Nice rifles too.

[Fred]

That's one of our Rough Collie's named Tucker! I'll put some photo's up tomorrow of him and his sister and the other two tomorrow.

[Fred]

Here are some photo's of the right side of the 1917 rifle that I neglected to take yesterday. Sunlight brings out the color in the stock in the photo's.
It appears to me that although the rifle has been bumped and dinged a little, the stock has never been sanded or cleaned. All of its edges are sharp and all markings are present. I can't remember what in the world is on the left side of the wrist for a cartouche... I know that it's a sharply stamped single letter. I'll take a photo and post it...

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[Fred]

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[tinydata]

Its hard to imagine that quality like that was once standard-issue for infantry. These pictures are much appreciated as a reference (and eye candy to drool over!)

[Fred]

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[Fred]

Its hard to imagine that quality like that was once standard-issue for infantry. These pictures are much appreciated as a reference (and eye candy to drool over!) I'm glad that you like the detail of the photo's Tiny. That is exactly what I'm trying to show. Detail of the wood grain, edges, stampings, color and texture of finishes and wood, etc.
I'm having good luck with the iPad because it has a great camera in it. Wow, my grandpa would've loved to see the latest development in cameras.
I like how the rifles were coming off of the assembly line way back when... The quality of any of these WWI era rifles is great of course but the Pre WWI rifles were really nice. Rick Slater and Steve Norton and others have wonderful examples of that type. I don't, but Do wish to have just one such example. Just one more rifle... That's all, Honest Injun! I really mean it this time. That'll be six 1903's and THAT will be enough for me.

[Dan Shapiro]

SWEET!

[Fred]

tinydata, I've attempted to send you a private message several times but cannot tell if it ever went out. Did you get it?

Thanks, Fred

[tinydata]

No, I didn't receive anything. I'll send a follow up

Edit: It's saying your PM box is full

[MoMallard]

Great Pics! Lighting was excellent, and the subject wonderful.

[Fred]

Thanks MoMallard. I appreciate the feedback.

[Rick the Librarian]

Speaking of lighting, this is still one of my favorite shots - a Red Star Remington M1903. Not mine, but I wish it was!!

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[bd1]

My, my. My-T-Fine. That goes for everybody's pictured in this photo thread.

[Fred]

Speaking of lighting, this is still one of my favorite shots - a Red Star Remington M1903. Not mine, but I wish it was!!

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Fantastic rifle and photo Rick! Id be tempted to remove the red paint after documenting it with photo's. But then, just having Five 03's, I'm not a real collector so much as I am an admirer of the model.

[Rick the Librarian]

I don't know if you're "tongue in cheek" with that last comment, Fred, but the "red paint" is very much a part of the rifle's history. These Red Star rifles came in grease and hay and there is a lot of disagreement as to whether to remove that. I did, but documented what my Red Star rifle looked like "before".

[Promo]

Are you serious with that Fred? That red paint doubles if not triples the value of this rifle.

[cplnorton]

Rick if you need help with that Red star I have a hacksaw and we could do a sporter on that stock real quick. There is also a good bumper chrome shop over here where we make it into a "Officer's special." If you didn't want to spend the money at the chrome shop, I have a can of spray chrome somewhere.

And just out of the goodness of my heart, I also have a nice Tasco Scope I will give you to make it a sniper. :)

On a serious note that is a beautiful rifle, and the same with your's Fred. Sometimes I see your guy's rifles and it makes me want to collect more 1903's. :)

I'm trying to be good and slow down, but seeing these pics is not exactly helping.

[Fred]

Yea, I would've definitely documented then cleaned the packing grease, oil and straw off of the rifle. Red Paint... No, I'd have left it alone. The stock and hand guard appear to have been together when the Brits applied the paint. That's pretty important to document. However, yes, I'd be tempted to clean it if I were a person who was not thinking clearly or didn't care about history. As it is, being a person of profound reflection and thought, I realize that the Lend Lease of armament to the British to prepare them for a German invasion is Definitely an important part of our history as well as British history. Way cool! Does the rifle have any British stamps on it Rick?

[Fred]

Are you serious with that Fred? That red paint doubles if not triples the value of this rifle.

No, I'm not serious. Really, double or triples the value? That's pretty interesting. Well, I'd best be on the lookout for one then! Thanks.

[Fred]

Rick if you need help with that Red star I have a hacksaw and we could do a sporter on that stock real quick. There is also a good bumper chrome shop over here where we make it into a "Officer's special." If you didn't want to spend the money at the chrome shop, I have a can of spray chrome somewhere.

And just out of the goodness of my heart, I also have a nice Tasco Scope I will give you to make it a sniper. :)

On a serious note that is a beautiful rifle, and the same with your's Fred. Sometimes I see your guy's rifles and it makes me want to collect more 1903's. :)

I'm trying to be good and slow down, but seeing these pics is not exactly helping.

Steve, it's my impression that you have a lot of 03's that are all top notch collectables. First rate stuff. Surely you haven't been contemplating stopping your collecting of them, have you? Heck you're still a young man too. Just keep going like you have been. And Please keep sharing with us!!!

[Rick the Librarian]

The rifle I posted was one of the "Red Star" rifles I examined about seven years ago, although the guy still has it. One of the reasons that these rifles are so attractive is that they DON'T have the British proof stamps found on those that were imported in the 1960s. The one I photographed I WISH was in my collection - it was one of the "pick of the litter". :)

My friend still has at least four of these rifles he wants to sell, if you're interested, Fred. PM/email me if you're interested.

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[Fred]

I don't know if you're "tongue in cheek" with that last comment, Fred, but the "red paint" is very much a part of the rifle's history. These Red Star rifles came in grease and hay and there is a lot of disagreement as to whether to remove that. I did, but documented what my Red Star rifle looked like "before".

Rick, no, I'm not serious. However, that term Red Star does gives me an uneasy feeling. No kidding. I know it's the name of the gun store where many of the rifles were received after being imported here from Great Briton, but it's just the ingrained perception I have of that term after being in the Army for many years during The Cold War against communism.
Incidentally, my old unit, the 1/73 Armor, wore a Red Star on our Russian Beret's whenever we were in Oposing Forces mode out at the U.S. National Training Center for Desert Warfare. Red Star... It gives me the Willie's!

[mike webb]

Nice rifles, Fred and good photography as well. They certainly are high quality units. I like the pre WW1 mausers as well for fit and finish. I read somewhere that to produce a rifle of similar quality today the cost per rifle would be in excess of $2500.

[Rick the Librarian]

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[Fred]

Nice rifles, Fred and good photography as well. They certainly are high quality units. I like the pre WW1 mausers as well for fit and finish. I read somewhere that to produce a rifle of similar quality today the cost per rifle would be in excess of $2500.

Thanks Mike.
Wow, $2,500.00 and up...
Yea,, I can see that happening. I'd LOVE to be a Billionaire and be able to obtain the old Rock Island Arsenal/Remington tooling for making the early 1903's. Not only would I produce some for myself and my friends, I'd run some copies of the Petersen Device and of the carrier and magazines to give out (why would I want to charge for them if I were a Billionaire?) to the guys too.