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2flasargent
06-30-2015, 07:24
Just curious - Were the magazine pouches put on the stocks during WW2 or Korea or is this a 'reenactor thing'? In my limited experience I don't remember seeing this pictured.

Respects
Tuna
06-30-2015, 07:40
This was done starting in WW2 and it seems in all theaters. Not all who had a carbine did it but there were quite a few who did use the extra pouch on the stock.
Johnny P
06-30-2015, 08:09
The soldier seated is an uncle, and photo was taken in either late 1944 or early 1945 in Europe. His M1 Carbine has the magazine pocket on the stock.

http://i61.tinypic.com/25qu4x2.jpg
Richard H Brown Jr
07-01-2015, 07:03
Looking at a double m-1 carbine mag pouch made by Biscayne Tent & Awning dtd 1942, it's in the style of the mills web gear, with a lift dot in the middle of the back flap, ( I also have a M1911A1 double mag pouch bought from Numrich, Mills mfr dtd Oct 1918 that has the slide and lift dot on the back flap) so the pouch could be slid onto a regulation ww2 web belt and moved to a comfortable position and secured using the lift dot. Some bored GI probably looked at the dual 15rnd pouch and said "Hmm I wonder...." and an extra 2 mags of loaded ammo was put on the rifle close to hand.

RHB
beebz
07-01-2015, 12:55
I saw a photo once of a soldier that installed the pouch upside down on the stock.I tried that with my carbine and like that way better.
2flasargent
07-02-2015, 11:23
Curiosity satisfied! I've been portraying Cavalry of various eras for ~20 years, and the sometimes BS can be overwhelming. I do try to get it right.
PhillipM
07-02-2015, 01:26
I posted one a long time ago on a Garand in the Italian campaign. I couldn't believe it so I tried it out and yes, the carbine mag pouch will hold two enbocs and fit on the stock.
Johnny P
07-02-2015, 08:30
The "LIFT THE DOT" fastener was on the front of the magazine pocket, and the male part of the snap was on the back. Most of the Lift the Dot type fasteners were made by other contractors, but all were still called by the Lift the Dot name. The snap on the back corresponded with the female part of the snap on the pistol belt, and was offset slightly so as to not interfere with fastening the belt.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2qbx3wk.jpg
dave
07-03-2015, 07:03
They were used on the stock but were not made with that in mind, I understand. But there are other types.
Johnny P
07-03-2015, 09:22
Late in WWII the magazine pockets for the M1 Carbine just had two loops on the back. It wasn't about to go on the stock.
Sunray
07-03-2015, 11:07
The butt stock is a really daft place for a mag pouch that was made to go on a belt. Extremely awkward to get at in a hurry. Kind of doubt a PBI type would have one there for very long.
"..."LIFT THE DOT" fastener..." Stamped thusly so the PBI and REMF's wouldn't get confused trying to open it. snicker.
Johnny P
07-03-2015, 12:14
Amazing how many M1 Carbine collectors advertise for the "magazine pouch that goes on the stock".

Wonder if the Klikit confuses them?

http://i58.tinypic.com/imqte9.jpg
n64atlas
07-03-2015, 03:22
I have a package of "lift a dots" somewhere in my shop. Bought them several years ago.
2flasargent
07-11-2015, 07:58
I can see the situation where you're off the line, catching a nap or otherwise not quite ready; incoming and you grab and go. Note they sell sidesaddles for shotguns now.
dave
07-12-2015, 08:01
The butt stock is a really daft place for a mag pouch that was made to go on a belt. Extremely awkward to get at in a hurry. Kind of doubt a PBI type would have one there for very long.
"..."LIFT THE DOT" fastener..." Stamped thusly so the PBI and REMF's wouldn't get confused trying to open it. snicker.

If laying on your belly, being shot at it would be a lot handier then the belt!
gene of oregon
08-06-2015, 06:06
If something happens in a split second, you grab your weapon and know you have 45 rounds to defend yourself from that second on. The additional seconds looking for or grabbing your belt could mean your life or others. Same reason we'd tape two 20rd mag's together.
Vern Humphrey
08-07-2015, 03:55
Just curious - Were the magazine pouches put on the stocks during WW2 or Korea or is this a 'reenactor thing'? In my limited experience I don't remember seeing this pictured.

Respects
The mag pouches were definitely WWII -- they will only take the original 15-round mags, not the later 30-round mags. So by the end of the war they were obsolete.
PhillipM
08-07-2015, 05:55
The mag pouches were definitely WWII -- they will only take the original 15-round mags, not the later 30-round mags. So by the end of the war they were obsolete.

I never even thought of that. 15 rounders were obsoleted?
Vern Humphrey
08-07-2015, 08:30
I never even thought of that. 15 rounders were obsoleted?
Of course! Who would go into action with a 15 round magazine when he could have 30 rounds?

When I was issued an M2 carbine as an Adviser to the Viet Namese Army in 1966, the 30 round magazines were all there were.