Picked up a nice Springfield 1922M1 sales rifle today

[Fast996]

I have been looking for an original MI sales variation and bought it today.The rifle is 90% with the MI bolt although I haven't seen it yet.Will have it in a week or so.Just from the dealers description it has all original finish rust blue and NRA type stock with a front globe sight.

After looking in the Auction lists these rifles with original attributes don't come up very often and when they do they command a pretty price. These are beautiful rifles and the only one I wish I had was the M1922MI Issue rifle with "B" Stock.

The serial # is 19358 so it's a late MI it could even be a transition rifle with the early M2 type bolt .It is within the known serial numbers according to Eyberg's article.I'll have to wait and see all I can say is I'm excited.

Here is the only image I have of the rifle can't wait to see this baby.:banana100:

Roger

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[m1903rifle]

Same picture....just reversed. Definitely a M1 bolt. About the only original M1 that you will see will be a sales rifle because most all military M1s were converted to M2 configuration.

[rockisle1903]

I was at the auction where this rifle was available...I bid on it and should have went a little more..It is drilled and tapped for a target scope, bolt matches and is the original (not m2) bolt, barrel date was 1931 (can't remember month)..The only issue with this rifle is that it had a spot of pitting on the barrel halfway about the size of a dime and someone wooled it pretty hard and removed some finish around it and there was some minor pitting at the muzzle, with the buyers premium it went for a little over a 1000$...

[Fast996]

I was at the auction where this rifle was available...I bid on it and should have went a little more..It is drilled and tapped for a target scope, bolt matches and is the original (not m2) bolt, barrel date was 1931 (can't remember month)..The only issue with this rifle is that it had a spot of pitting on the barrel halfway about the size of a dime and someone wooled it pretty hard and removed some finish around it and there was some minor pitting at the muzzle, with the buyers premium it went for a little over a 1000$...

Small world. I found this auction in a small town in Ohio and thought there wouldn't be much interest...glad I had a higher cover me bid. Anyway thanks rockisle for filling me in on the rifle. The auctioneer told me it had a little bit of pitting up on top. Yes with transfer and shipping it will be just over a grand. I have another gun just like it but is has the upgraded M2 bolt,but it is still marked M1922M1,the later style like this rifle. Can you tell me the condition of the stock,butt plate and sight if you recall.....thanks. Roger

[rockisle1903]

stock/buttplate were fine..minor spotting on the lyman

[Kragrifle]

The rifles listed in Butch Eyberg's article were simply 1922M1's originally produced with M1 bolts. They sat at Springfield long enough that they were fitted with the M2 bolts before being sold. There is a much different variation, the M1/M2 rifle that will have barrel dates well into M2 production (1935 and later). These are blued rifles in NRA stocks with M2 bolts numered to the rifle.

[Fast996]

The rifles listed in Butch Eyberg's article were simply 1922M1's originally produced with M1 bolts. They sat at Springfield long enough that they were fitted with the M2 bolts before being sold. There is a much different variation, the M1/M2 rifle that will have barrel dates well into M2 production (1935 and later). These are blued rifles in NRA stocks with M2 bolts numbered to the rifle.

The transition rifles I have seen and only 3 of them in the last 2 years,all have the early M2 bolt. They are marked "NS" and M2 on the lug,but the receivers are marked M1922M1. Just another rare variation that someday I hope to stumble across. I would say that as far as rarity,the NRA sales rifles would classify something like this.

1. NRA M2 sales variation
2. NRA M1922M1/M2 sales variation (transition)
3. NRA M1922M1 sales variation
4. NRA M1922MII sales variation
5. NRA M1922M1 DCM club sales

The rifle you talk about I have never seen (is it a late M2 bolt?)

That's just my opinion on how scarce they seem to be. I'm sure you or Herschel can set me straight,if I'm off a bit. Anyway I'm glad to have this rifle,as it's original. Thanks

p.s. And there seems to be all kinds of combinations,as I recently came across a "B" marked M1922MII club gun that is parked with the early M2 bolt.

[Kragrifle]

I have two of the M1/M2's bought years apart from different individuals. Barrel dates are 1935 and 1937. One has two bolts with it, the original M1 and a late M2. the other has only the late M2. As to the early M2 bolts, I have heard opinions that these alterations were done in 1934 and the receivers were not altered. The one I have has the original barrel, though I guess some could have had the barrel replaced. What I have found is that most of the 40,000 22 cal Springfields have been altered, upgraded or just plain ruined either by Springfield or a later gunsmith. Besides Butch Eyberg, who I never met or spoke with there were a few others that knew or know a lot about these rifles. Fred Ewalt was one. Wayne Gagner and Herschel are the two still around who have seen a lot of these rifles.

BTW, I would place the 1922MII NRA sales rifles just below the NRA M2.

[Fast996]

I have two of the M1/M2's bought years apart from different individuals. Barrel dates are 1935 and 1937. One has two bolts with it, the original M1 and a late M2. the other has only the late M2. As to the early M2 bolts, I have heard opinions that these alterations were done in 1934 and the receivers were not altered. The one I have has the original barrel, though I guess some could have had the barrel replaced. What I have found is that most of the 40,000 22 cal Springfields have been altered, upgraded or just plain ruined either by Springfield or a later gunsmith. Besides Butch Eyberg, who I never met or spoke with there were a few others that knew or know a lot about these rifles. Fred Ewalt was one. Wayne Gagner and Herschel are the two still around who have seen a lot of these rifles.

BTW, I would place the 1922MII NRA sales rifles just below the NRA M2.

Well I learn something new everyday. Did Eyburg or Brophy mention these? I can't recall. I have gathered up a lot of reading material on these and study when I find a gun that looks interesting. Your comment about the M1922MII variation peaks my interest. Seems like you could spend many years just collecting NRA's....Thanks.

[Iceman66]

I am currently in the market for a Springfield .22 and originally wanted an M2 but now realize a M1922 in good condition would be acceptable. Offers? Does anyone have a date of production by serial number compilation of these Springfield .22s?

Since I began looking I now realize that there are a lot of rifles being offered at $1000 - $2000 that are far from correct or even close to correct. I would appreciate any reference material referrals, as I find little information available. What is the Eyburg cite?

Thanks

[Kragrifle]

Butch Eyberg wrote an article for Man at Arms back in the 80's as I recall. Not at home right now but you should be able to find a copy.

[Herschel]

Eyberg's article appeared in a 1985 issue of Man Arms. Like Kragrifle, I am not at home so can't give the specific issue. The article is specifically about the 1922M1/M2 transition rifles that will have the early type M2 Bolt. He lists quite a few by serialn number but the list is not all inclusive as I have a transition model that is not on the list. Brophy lists Springfield .22's by the number produced in each year. the 1922 Model, 1922M1 and M2 rifles all started with serial number one. You can take that as a starting point and count up the number produced in total up to you serial number and come up with a good estimate of the year the rifle receiver was produced.

[Kragrifle]

The difference between Butch Eyberg's transition rifles and the later M1/M2 is that the former are 1922M1 Civilian rifles with upgraded bolts (early M2) and the latter is a totally different model with blued metal, later M2 bolts and barrel dates well into M2 (parkerized) production.

[gewehrfreund]

I would say that as far as rarity,the NRA sales rifles would classify something like this.

1. NRA M2 sales variation
2. NRA M1922M1/M2 sales variation (transition)
3. NRA M1922M1 sales variation
4. NRA M1922MII sales variation
5. NRA M1922M1 DCM club sales



Hello all. New to this site, but not to pre-war 22 sporters or to many of the related firearms sites on the internet.
I recently made a deal on a sales variation unaltered 1922M1 (sn 17910 with barrel date 9-30). I don't have it in hand yet, but from what I've seen, the blue seems a little dull and I'm hoping it will clean up a bit. It's D&T for target scope and has a Lyman globe front sight in addition to the Lyman rear sight.
One thing I'm not clear on which is illustrated above, is what is the difference between the M1 sales version and the DCM club sales version?
Also, how does a person go about getting details from SRS on a specific rifle?

This rifle satisfies a want I have had for a long time for an "NRA" M1922. It joins my unaltered early bolt version M2.

Thanks,
Lance

[Herschel]

The DCM Club Issue 1922M1 and the NRA Sales Variation 1922M1 are in the same configuration. The difference is that the DCM Club Issue has a parkerized barrel and the NRA Sales 1922M1 has a blued barrel.
1922M1 serial number 17910 appears in SRS records close to some DCM club issue rifle serial numbers. I say they are Club Issue as SRS records indicate the rifles were shipped to or received from rifle clubs.
Since the DCM Club Issue rifle would have been in govt inventory it possibly could have been through rebuild and be all parkerized. If so there should be rebuild cartouches on the left side of the stock.

When I bought my first DCM Club Issue 1922M1 I assumed it was an NRA Sales Variation that just was not on the sales list. I cleaned and cleaned to try to get the barrel matching the blue on the receiver and triggerguard. After some research I learned that the barrel was parkerized and was not supposed to match the blued parts of the rifle.

[Herschel]

I have checked my Springfield Research Data and #17910 is not listed. They are finding new serial numbers so perhaps later discovered serial numbers could include your rifle.
To obtain data from SRS you first must be a subscriber to U. S. Martial Arms Collector magazine. The cost is $35.00 per year which gets you four magazines.

SRS web site: usmartialarmscollector.com
email address: editor@usmartialarmscollector.com

[gewehrfreund]

The DCM Club Issue 1922M1 and the NRA Sales Variation 1922M1 are in the same configuration. The difference is that the DCM Club Issue has a parkerized barrel and the NRA Sales 1922M1 has a blued barrel.
1922M1 serial number 17910 appears in SRS records close to some DCM club issue rifle serial numbers. I say they are Club Issue as SRS records indicate the rifles were shipped to or received from rifle clubs.
Since the DCM Club Issue rifle would have been in govt inventory it possible could have been through rebuild and be all parkerized. If so there should be rebuild cartouches on the left side of the stock.

Thanks. As I say, I don't have the rifle in hand yet, so am not aware that there are any stock cartouches. I didn't see any in the pictures. The metal finish looked "dull" for lack of a better word, except out near the muzzle end, the last couple of inches which did look like polished blue.

Waiting on a "new" rifle is almost harder than trying to find one to begin with!

[Herschel]

My post above may not be clear about serial number 17910. That number does not appear in my SRS data. Serial numbers close to 17910 are shown to have been shipped to or received from rifle clubs.
I agree with your comment about waiting for a new rifle. Time drags by while awaiting it's arrival.

[gewehrfreund]

When I get it, I'll report back on what it reveals.

[Kragrifle]

Also of note, the 1922M1 rifles will have the M1 style, long travel bolt. The sales rifles will have been refitted with the short travel M2 bolt. Also, the Lyman rear sight numbers will match on an original 1922M1, whereas the sight numbers always seem to be mismatched on the altered 1922MII ( 1922M1 altered to M2 bolt) rifles.
Serial numbers etched on the original bolts match the rifle serial number. 1922MII rifles may or may not be numbered to the rifles.

[gewehrfreund]

This is definitely an unaltered M1 with the early bolt (not M2 upgrade), but has the NRA stock. I'll add a picture or two from the seller when I get home.

35538
35539

[gewehrfreund]

So, I've had this rifle for a while now and have had it apart and cleaned it up and inspected it. It's a bit a head-scratcher.
It's pretty obvious that it's a DCM club rifle based on features, finish and serial number. But despite the receiver being D&T for a scope base (and it looks original to my eye), the barrel is not!? The barrel date of 8-30 would seem to jibe with the serial number, so it seems unlikely that it's a rebarrel.

Anyway, I still haven't had it to the range yet, but will soon. We'll see how it shoots, then I'll decide whether to go ahead and D&T the barrel. I have the correct bases waiting to be used.

[Herschel]

For what it's worth: I have NRA Sales 1922M1 with serial number 19376 with barrel date of 9-29.
I have NRA Sales 1922M1 with serial number 19468 with barrel date of 3-30.
I have NRA Sales 1922M1 with serial number 19582 with barrel date of 11-29.
All three of these have the barrels drilled and tapped for the front scope block.

The barrel on a DCM Club Issue Rifle should be drilled and tapped for the front scope block. I think the barrel is a replacement that was installed
quite a bit later than 1930. Of course this is just an educated guess.

[Kragrifle]

I have a barrel that has been drilled and tapped-I think it is a 1926 date if interested in a swap.

[gewehrfreund]

For what it's worth: I have NRA Sales 1922M1 with serial number 19376 with barrel date of 9-29.
I have NRA Sales 1922M1 with serial number 19468 with barrel date of 3-30.
I have NRA Sales 1922M1 with serial number 19582 with barrel date of 11-29.
All three of these have the barrels drilled and tapped for the front scope block.

The barrel on a DCM Club Issue Rifle should be drilled and tapped for the front scope block. I think the barrel is a replacement that was installed
quite a bit later than 1930. Of course this is just an educated guess.

Yes, that would explain it. It just doesn't look like it has been messed with at all (no marks on the barrel etc.), but that doesn't rule out a barrel change. I just can't imagine why a rifle this robust would need a different barrel, short of some major catastrophe.

Looks like my D&T skills are going to get tested again.:icon_rolleyes:

[gewehrfreund]

I have a barrel that has been drilled and tapped-I think it is a 1926 date if interested in a swap.

Thanks for the offer, but creating my own holes sounds a lot easier than switching barrels. :1948:

[gewehrfreund]

Yes, that would explain it. It just doesn't look like it has been messed with at all (no marks on the barrel etc.), but that doesn't rule out a barrel change. I just can't imagine why a rifle this robust would need a different barrel, short of some major catastrophe.

Looks like my D&T skills are going to get tested again.:icon_rolleyes:

Well, right or not, it's a shooter! i did some initial shooting/ammo testing on Friday morning and at the end, I decided to try one of the best performing ammos at 100yd. With the original aperture sights and my aging eyes, I was able to put 5 Federal Match (the older dimpled 900B) into 1 3/16" . The last 4 went into 13/16".
I'm not unhappy . . . :icon_wink: