Any info/guidance for a new M2 owner?

[pmclaine]

Found this today....

11-35 barrel date...
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Need to get a good bore guide any suggestions. I generally get Dewey rods for my rifles but looks like the rimfire rods are not coated. Any suggestions on the bore guide/rod? Thank you for your time.

[PhillipM]

Use the OTIS cable. In reality a 22 bore doesn't have to be cleaned much

[Kragrifle]

You have a 1922MII that started life as a 1922M1 NRA model rifle. It was upgraded to MII by the refitting of an M2 bolt and a new 1935 barrel (original barrel would have been 1929 or 1930). Original length of the stock should be 31 1/2 inches as some of these will be found with shortened stocks. These rifles are sometimes referred to as "club rifles". I may have data on this serial number (which has the added B) but would have to check if interested.

[pmclaine]

Thank you both for your replies gentlemen.

Krag thanks for filling in some blanks. Rifle seems to be full length, Ill have to take a measure and confirm.

If you have further info it would be interesting to know it. Seems the rifle has lead a pretty pampered life since rebuild as it is very clean and cared for.

Seller had two of these in the racks the other was an original built MII with grasping groove and heavy checkered butt plate. This one appealed to me with the scope blocks as I am looking forward to finding a clean 20X Unertl.

[joem]

You need to send it to me and I'll tell you how it shoots.

[pmclaine]

Address please to send it to...Oh wait I forgot it's recycle night and all the boxes to pack it up went out to the curb....disregard but Thank you.

[Kragrifle]

I checked my SRS data and my DCM book-sorry, no hits. Very nice rifle.

[pmclaine]

I checked my SRS data and my DCM book-sorry, no hits. Very nice rifle.

Thank you for checking.

[Herschel]

I agree with kragrifle that the rifle is not listed in the SRS records but the serial number does fall in the midst of a large number of rifles that were shown to have been shipped to or or received from rifle clubs or colleges. That together with the rifle having been drilled and tapped for scope blocks and in the NRA stock is strong evidence that the rifle was originally made up for issue to a club/school. Except for the finish it is an exact duplicate of he NRA Sales 1922M1/1922MII. The technique used for cleaning any other rimfire bolt rifle would be appropriate for the M1922MII. You have a fine rifle.

[pmclaine]

Thank you Herschel.

What was the finish on the actual NRA sales gun - bluing as opposed to park?

[pmclaine]

PS Ill be shooting it for first time today. I intended to start at 25 to get on paper. Is there a typical come up on the Lyman sight for different yrdages?

ie. 25 yards equals bottom plus 4 clicks, 50 equals 25 plus 2 clicks, 100 equals 50 plus 4 clicks? Similar to a good start for Garand at 100 is bottom plus 8.

...and what are the elevation and windage adjustments on a Lyman?

[Kragrifle]

Early rifles were blued. There exists a series of rifles referred to as M2 NRA rifles. Most of these were M2's but there are a number of 1922 MII's on the list. I have two of M2's and these have a distinctive black parkerization. I have not found one of the 1922MII's yet.

[pmclaine]

Okay im learning a little I think.

If it was an MI and converted it became an MII.

If it was new built with the late features its an M2.

The first just had a second I punched aside the first, in the second case the receiver was marked M2 as it was built.

These markings are under the scope block on the front rec ring.

[pmclaine]

:icon_lol:,:icon_lol:,:icon_lol:

Just left the range.

[Herschel]

pmclaine,

You are getting into some questions that can't be answered with just a few words.

The 1922M1 NRA Sales Variation rifles were blued with some parts nitre blackened.

Some of the last made 1922M1 NRA Sales Rifles that remained unsold in govt inventory were fitted with the early type M2 bolts. These "transition" rifles were the subject of an article by W. P. Eyberg in the January/February 1985 issue of Man At Arms magazine. The serial numbers of these 1922M1 transition rifles generally fall between 19356 and 20834. Eyberg lists 84 serial numbers of transition rifles he was aware of. There were more than 84 as I own a transition rifle that is not on the list. These rifles would have the blue finish and would be drilled and tapped for scope blocks.
Some of these had the extra I added to the model number and a B suffix added to the serial and some lacked the extra I and B.

The last of the NRA Sales variation rifles were built and marked as M2 rifles and had the black parkerized finish. These are very scarce. Brophy estimated that there were only 80 of them.

In my comments here I am addressing how the rifles were configured when they left SA as new items. Many 1922M1 Sales Variation rifles were quite likely returned by their owners to Springfield Armory to have the new M2 bolt installed.

[Kragrifle]

And don't forget the M1M2 variation, distinct from the 1922M1 with M2 bolt replaced.

[Herschel]

How do you identify the M1M2 Variation? What is the story of their origination?

[Kragrifle]

Briefly, these will have 1922M1 receivers, barrel dates of 1935-1937, NRA stocks and will be finished in very nice blued finish. Barrel dates well into the M2 time frame. I have one with both the 1922M1 bolt and M2 bolt, and the other with the M2 bolt. The two I have came from respectable sellers 10 years apart. I have discussed this with others, but to date have found no data describing this model.

[Tdarmo]

There are lots of variations 3462134622346233462434625

[pmclaine]

Wow that one is sharp.

[Fred Pillot]

As far as sighting goes. 50 feet and 50 yards are the same sight setting. 50 yards to 100 yards, come up 8 MOA. For 50 yards to 200 yards, come up 27 MOA. I suspect your sight is 1/4 minute clicks.

[pmclaine]

As far as sighting goes. 50 feet and 50 yards are the same sight setting. 50 yards to 100 yards, come up 8 MOA. For 50 yards to 200 yards, come up 27 MOA. I suspect your sight is 1/4 minute clicks.

Awesome this will be helpful and save me some ammo.

[Cosine26]

An original Lyman 48 common to the M2 would have 1/2 minutes clicks.
FWIW