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Fred
04-09-2016, 09:48
John Beard has identified this rifle as being one of approximately 5,000 such Rock Island Arsenal rifles that had Receivers whose numbers, although under 285507, were in fact Double Heat Treated. After the decision was made at R.I.A. to begin the double heat treat process on all receivers, these previously made Low Number receivers that had never yet received any case hardening (Single Heat Treatment) were then double heat treated. The receivers were then tested for hardness using a device for that purpose and the ones that finally passed inspection numbered somewhere around 5,000 which were used to build rifles in 1918. This information can be found on pages 67, 68 and 69 in C.S. Ferris' book... Rock Island Rifle Model 1903.
John Beard has pointed out to me that this rifle has a unique finish on some specific parts that was only available at Springfield Armory in a specific time frame. It is my understanding that R.I.A. did Not use this finish during this time. That along with Four other Springfield Armory components of the rifle, indicates to my mind that the rifle is a good candidate to have been fully assembled at Springfield Armory sometime in late 1918 and is NOT a mixed parts rifle put together later. The R.I.A. 7-18 barrel date of the rifle indicates that the barrel was likely assembled to the Low number, Double Heat Treated receiver at Rock Island Arsenal around August to September 1918. I'm wondering if the rifle was actually built at Springfield Armory within that time. As far as I know, there isn't any documentation as yet found to indicate that Springfield Armory was assembling rifles using a combination of Rock Island and Springfield parts in 1918. That did indeed take place later around 1929, but did it occur in 1918? I think it's not unreasonable to think so. John Beard has noted that Rock Island Arsenal was in a spare parts production mode for much of 1918 with few rifles assembled. Maybe Rock Island Arsenal had sent all of those 5,000 "in the white", double heat treated, low number barreled receivers off to Springfield Armory then to be assembled into complete rifles. The unique Springfield Armory finish on specific parts of the rifle indicates to me that the finish must've been applied at Springfield Armory in 1918 where the rifle could've been fully assembled. Makes sense to me. That would explain the S.A. Finish that was only used there within a specific time frame. That seems to me to be the best scenario.
If any of the 5,000 rifles with Low number, Double heat treated receivers had their barrels replaced and their metal parts refinished and their stocks replaced over the years, they would be difficult to identify today. That being the case, it is fortunate indeed that this example of that group of approximately 5,000 rifles has managed to remain intact so that it can be studied.
This rifle is in fantastic shape. Its bore is minty and I doubt if it ever made it to Europe in time for the war, if at all. How it managed to avoid the wear and tear of decades of use leading up to and through WWII might be explained if it was taken home legally or illegally as a Vet bring back. Maybe national guard, active duty, I don't know. But it must've been squirreled away somewhere and never used for almost 100 years to have survived like it did.
Every feature and component on this rifle is consistant with what was being assembled into rifles at that time. All 1918 parts, and they've the appearance of being together for a Century.
Ferris explains on page 69 in his latest Rock Island book that the change over of receivers with serif letters on them to receivers with Block letters occurred Very close to the number on this rifle. So this rifle has one of the last Rock Island Arsenal receivers to have been stamped with the serif letters.
I believe that this rifle is in its Original configuration and has survived 98 years without ever being refinished, altered, sanded, had its parts switched or been sporterized. The muzzle and breech might very well mike out to a Zero or less. It's been hidden away and preserved.




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Fred
04-09-2016, 10:04
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Fred
04-09-2016, 10:18
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Fred
04-09-2016, 10:22
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Major Tom
04-10-2016, 06:32
Damn good photos of an amazing 1903, thanks Fred.

Jkibler2
04-10-2016, 06:49
Wow! What a beauty! Thanx for sharing.

Fred
04-10-2016, 05:49
Here it is next to a Minty Springfield Armory rifle with the same barrel date.

Both rifles have J5 bolts.

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Fred
04-10-2016, 11:52
Wow! What a beauty! Thanx for sharing.

My pleasure!

Fred
04-10-2016, 11:53
Damn good photos of an amazing 1903, thanks Fred.

I'm glad you like the photos!

Promo
04-11-2016, 03:35
What astonishes me most is the fact that the area where you live seems to always have very nice weather - and still everything is green! Are you in heaven? :)

rayg
04-11-2016, 04:57
Thanks for the photos Fred, just love those classic lines of the early 03's, Ray

Fred
04-11-2016, 06:30
What astonishes me most is the fact that the area where you live seems to always have very nice weather - and still everything is green! Are you in heaven? :)

LOL. No Georg, I'm in Nebraska! :hello:

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Fred
04-11-2016, 06:56
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The above photo was taken off of our front patio last summer.


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louis
04-11-2016, 07:38
Fred that's some damn good photos and what an incredible views!!! You're one lucky guy!!

Rick the Librarian
04-11-2016, 09:28
It still looks like that in late August, right?? LOL!

Fred
04-11-2016, 09:32
LOL.
OK, just one more picture of home that I Just Now Took, then back to 1903's!! Looking from the East to the house. Actually it's kinda dead out here so far from town. No close by places to eat. One gas station and a Subway, that's about it. Bringing home Hot Pizza or Hot Chinese is impossible because it all goes cold by the time you get it home. Ice cream from the store is nearly melted. I haven't been to a movie theater in years. Sigh...

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Fred
04-13-2016, 01:05
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Fred
04-13-2016, 01:13
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Fred
04-30-2016, 03:35
The absolutely Mint looking bore... Pretty rare in a WWI issued 1903.

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louis
04-30-2016, 03:39
Great shot!! Reminded me of a movie "walk...to...the...liigghhtt" haha

Fred
04-30-2016, 03:43
My wife and I are going to be selling this rifle real soon on the Want To Sell forum here on Culvers Shooting Page. This is just a heads up for anyone who finds the rifle interesting. We don't need the money. I'm just thinking of buying some other stuff and The Memsahib suggested that I get rid of a couple of our rifles for the money. Sounds like it's worth a go.
So, keep checking the Want To Sell threads for this rifle and also for the early WWI S.A. rifle with the 11-17 barrel. I think it's quite a unique piece too.

louis
04-30-2016, 03:45
I definitely will Fred!! Thanks for the heads up!

Fred
05-07-2016, 05:29
OK, I'm putting this Rock Island Arsenal 1903 up for sale tonight when I get home. It will be listed on the WTS Forum. Look for it!