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LSUTigersFan
05-11-2016, 06:05
Gentlemen,

I need the board’s advice on two Springfield 1903’s that I recently purchased and whether they are Marine 1903’s. I know from my research that identification of Marine 1903’s is more of an art than a science. Having spent six years’ in Marine Corps, I understand that any two Marines can find three different ways to do the same thing.

I purchased them through the Rock Island Auction. I suspect I overpaid, and I am not really interested in anyone confirming my suspicion. But, being a history buff and a collector of old guns, the urge grabbed me, and I was really along for the ride.

But, now on to the real questions

Rifle #1

Springfield Serial No. 572836

No electro-pin serial on the bolt
USMC 9-41 barrel with Sedgley circled “S"
No obvious park, although the rear sight may have been parked
Hatcher hole (opposite side from bolt handle) present and appears to have been de-burred as it is smoother than the other
No markings on bolt arm
No stipple on butt place, but it has a stamped, checkered butt plate
Scant stock with boxed A.A.K. cartouche (“Augusta Arsenal”?)
No obvious punch mark
Have not broken down to check for markings on barrel
Much later front sight cover than on other rifle

Pics attached

Rifle #2

Springfield Serial No. 1353844

Electro-pin serial on the bolt (serial number only)
Springfield barrel from 4-30
Obvious green park on receiver as are the bands. Bolt and rear sight are blued.
Hatcher hole (opposite side from bolt handle) present appears to be post-manufacture drilling as it was not burred down
“BF” over “47” stamped on bolt arm
No stipple on butt place, but it has a stamped, checkered butt plate
Scant stock with no markings and old
No obvious punch mark
Have not broken down to check for markings on barrel

Thanks for reading. Enjoy your evening, or morning, as the case may be.

Pics to follow (assuming I did this correctly)

LSUTigersFan
05-11-2016, 06:06
More pics of rifle #1356233562435625

LSUTigersFan
05-11-2016, 06:07
Pics of rifle #2
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LSUTigersFan
05-11-2016, 06:08
And a few more of rifle #2
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LSUTigersFan
05-11-2016, 06:19
Also, rifle #2's bolt handle is slightly canted to the rear. I haven't had time yet to see what that signifies as regards to dates, model, etc.

I can post clearer pics of anything if it would help.

PhillipM
05-11-2016, 06:29
Also, rifle #2's bolt handle is slightly canted to the rear. I haven't had time yet to see what that signifies as regards to dates, model, etc.

I can post clearer pics of anything if it would help.

Swept bolt handles indicate manufacture post single heat treatment. A fee unswept bolts are double heat treated. BF 47 is Bonnie Forge replacement bolt made in WW2.

I'll let the experts comment on the rest

LSUTigersFan
05-11-2016, 06:38
Swept bolt handles indicate manufacture post single heat treatment. A fee unswept bolts are double heat treated. BF 47 is Bonnie Forge replacement bolt made in WW2.

I'll let the experts comment on the rest

Thanks! I appreciate any history.

Smokeeaterpilot
05-11-2016, 10:38
Very nice rifles. Congrats

The "art" is in the traits

The "science" is in the serial numbers

cplnorton
05-12-2016, 03:46
The first one is for sure 100%. The second looks like one as well. The pics of it are sort of small and not much detail. But it looks like a late rebuild.

LSUTigersFan
05-12-2016, 05:54
Some larger pics if it helps...
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LSUTigersFan
05-12-2016, 05:56
And five more
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And to everyone who chimed in, a sincere thanks!

cplnorton
05-12-2016, 06:18
Yeah second one is Marine as well.

Semper Fi by the way!