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The local gun shop got this in the door the other day. The barrel is a S P marked.
The S/N is 427343. Best guesses???
36190
36189
36188
36191
mixmaster. the last US Navy marked slide was serial number 110,000.
If the price is right it may be a good buy. I doubt the shop paid very much for it.
The local gun shop got this in the door the other day. The barrel is a S P marked.
The S/N is 427343. Best guesses???
usmc69,
427343 would, most likely, be a 1918 M1911 Dark Army.
Looks like a 1912 Navy slide. There are a few variations of 1912 Navy slides,---not sure what variation this is.
Best Regards,
Johnny P
06-20-2016, 07:21
The slide hasn't been through rebuild, and it doesn't appear the receiver has either. Something someone assembled.
Ken Hill
06-20-2016, 09:04
The slide hasn't been through rebuild, and it doesn't appear the receiver has either. Something someone assembled.
Johnny the slide is an under 20k circled rear pony in nice shape!
Johnny P
06-20-2016, 11:01
Johnny the slide is an under 20k circled rear pony in nice shape!
Yes. That's what I saw.
I talked to the seller earlier........they are asking $2,200.
I agree, I tried to explain to the seller about the parts.........1918 frame - common, Springfield replacement barrel - common, USN slide - not so common and that the parts didn't add up to $2,200. He said he had $2,000 in it so he was trying to get his money back.
Ken Hill
06-21-2016, 11:51
I agree, I tried to explain to the seller about the parts.........1918 frame - common, Springfield replacement barrel - common, USN slide - not so common and that the parts didn't add up to $2,200. He said he had $2,000 in it so he was trying to get his money back.
My humble opinion is the circled horse and 1911 patent date has real value to someone needing it!
How may different versions (varieties) of 1912 Navy marked slides are there? And, is there a way (other than the receiver) to distinguish a 1914 Navy slide from a 1915 Navy slide?
Ken......
You are so right on the value, if I had a Navy frame deserving of that slide I would probably cough up the money for it. Then sell the frame and barrel. I don't see early Navy slides like that come up for sale very often at all.
Johnny P
06-22-2016, 06:45
Certainly worth several dollars more than your average Model 1911 in that condition.
It sold.......... http://www.gunbroker.com/item/568643212 For more than we thought it would.
I had one almost identical to this. I paid $1400 for it because it had the very early Navy slide (but black Army frame). I looked high and low for an appropriate frame but found none. I even had a couple of dealers at gun shows trying to help me. After 2-3 years of looking I finally gave up and sold the slide. Mine was a little beat up and not in quite the condition of this one mentioned on GB but it did have the old style curved rear sight, no pitting, some brown finish left and all the markings were deep and sharp. While trying to sell it myself on ebay and GB I received a couple of lowball offers and one guy in England wanted me to hold it for him for all eternity (I guess while he looked for a frame). I finally got JackTheDog on Auction Arms to sell it for me. He got $750 for it. I kept my 1918 frame and put a BA slide on it that I already had. I came out alright but it wasn't the treasure hunt I had hoped for. Since then I found a 1912 Navy, all correct I think, and bought it.
PhillipM
07-16-2016, 12:12
At least he had an honest description
Ken Hill
07-16-2016, 02:50
AJ.
I think he did very well indeed. (IMHO)
AJ.
I think he did very well indeed. (IMHO)
Ken,
He had to much in it, but at least he did not have a loss.
AJ
......Since then I found a 1912 Navy, all correct I think, and bought it.
Allen,
Sure would be nice to see your 1912 Navy!? (Post some Pictures?)
Best Regards,
Allen,
Sure would be nice to see your 1912 Navy!? (Post some Pictures?)
Best Regards,
Not good pictures. It is raining here EVERY day so I had to go out in the blazing sunlight and take these when I could so there is an issue with shadows. The grips have been changed out since the ones that came with the gun and appear to be original to the gun are too worn and damaged. The pistol is in better condition than what the pic's show. Some of what looks like pits is grease and dust. I'm not really set up for photo's right now but did my best on these.
Disregard that 1st photo from the above post. It is a picture of a Black Army.
But while on that subject this is the BA frame that had the Navy slide that I sold. I had a BA slide from a parts kit that I bought years ago. The slide had no finish left on it and someone had sprayed it with black paint. I removed the paint and cold blued the slide and put it on this frame. Now while not a museum piece it does match better now than before and in my opinion did OK for cold blueing. The slide is the only thing that was cold blued. The frame and other parts have not been touched, at least by me.
Allen,
Thanks for the pictures!
Best Regards,
There are several 1912's, a 1913 and a 1912 frame on GB right now if anyone is interested.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/571968667
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/571029832
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/570413237
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/570595431
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/571557978
And a 1939 Navy http://www.gunbroker.com/item/572411564
colt thompson
07-21-2016, 07:12
Also, Morphy Auctions has a Navy in their July 31st auction.
Lot # 321
http://morphyauctions.hibid.com/lot/25773150/-c--u-s--colt-model-1911-navy-semi-auto-pistol-/?q=1911+navy&sort=2&ref=catalog
Yes, I seen the one at Morphy's sold today for $7500 plus 22%... which totaled $9150..
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