Springfield Armory M1922 M2 Bolt Question

[Deano41]

I recently sold my SA M1922 M2 rifle. The rifle was marked M2 on the receiver, the barrel is marked 1938, and the serial number is 6679. The bolt did not have an electro-pencil marking on it.

The guy who bought the rifle is saying it is an incorrect bolt because it wasn't electro-penciled.

I seem to recall the bolt having the adjusting mechanism on it.

I have shot it and it functioned fine.

Is there a problem with an unmarked bolt?

Thanks for your knowledge.

[clintonhater]

Is there a problem with an unmarked bolt?

Depends on one's definition of "problem." Slick Willie is always the best one to consult on definitions, but if he's unavailable, what I can tell you is that the rifle didn't leave SA in 1934 with an un-numbered bolt.

[Kragrifle]

Springfield always numbered the bolt to the rifle in the M2's (also 1922 M1's, but not the 1922 rifles). The rifle was likely reworked as 1938 barrel date is later than the receiver which would have been produced about 1932. Some reworks will have the bolt numbered to the rifle, but often parts got swapped around so that most of the 22 caliber Springfield rifles encountered will be "mixed up". You can always check the headspace to be on the safe side.
One other note, the early M2's used the bolt without the headspace adjustment.

[Herschel]

My M2 Sales Variation #6478 has a 10-38 barrel. I would say the subject rifle probably has the original barrel but I agree the subject rifle left Springfield Armory as a new item with the bolt numbered to the receiver.

[Deano41]

Thank you all very much for your expertise.

Since the bolt is unmarked, I surmise it was a replacement.

I really liked the rifle, I guess I'll be getting it back. I'll have the dealer refund the purchaser's money. and I'll pay for the shipping and other costs. Sometimes lack of knowledge (My fault) can get expensive.

[clintonhater]

Sometimes lack of knowledge (My fault) can get expensive.

All too true; however, the first question the buyer should have asked is "does the bolt have a matching ser. no.?" Many of the crooks doing business on Gun Broker would have said that if the buyer didn't ask, the responsibility was his.

[Deano41]

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Thank you all for helping me with your expertise.

[Emri]

I really liked the rifle, I guess I'll be getting it back. I'll have the dealer refund the purchaser's money. and I'll pay for the shipping and other costs. Sometimes lack of knowledge (My fault) can get expensive.

Maybe not. I purchased a rifle from a forum member on the advice of a friend. Paid a going rate for a scarce rifle. The barrel turned out to be a replacement. I contacted the seller and told him about it. He honestly didn't know. Rather than return the rifle, we came to an agreed adjustment in the price and he sent me that amount and I kept the rifle.

Your willingness to "do the right thing" is commendable.

FWIW,

Emri

[Deano41]

Thank you Emri. I cut and pasted the replies I received on CSP and forwarded them to my dealer. I have been selling off my collection with him for the last several years, and have written a description including any flaws on a tag tied to the trigger guard. The guy who photographs and writes the descriptions on the gunbroker ad includes that information.

I have always done my "homework" on the firearms I have bought, and knew about the electro-penciled bolts on M1922s. But I didn't know that EVERY bolt had them.

I spoke with the dealer yesterday, and he was going to contact the purchaser about the unmarked bolt. If he wants to return it, that's fine. The dealer has another buyer who wants it. I stressed that any buyer be told about the unmarked bolt.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/573023249

[Herschel]

In Kragrifle's post above he mentions that the Model of 1922 did not have the bolts numbered to the receiver. I agree with that. The 1922M1 1922MII and M2 rifles all had the bolts numbered to the receiver.
Even though many people refer to all Springfield .22's as M1922 there are different nomenclatures for the different variations.

[Kragrifle]

Hi Herschel
Another bit of trivia - when you find reworked 1922's the replacement bolts have not been numbered, at least in my experience.

[Herschel]

I have owned one Model of 1922 that had been upgraded with the M2 bolt and have handled a couple of others. I don't recall if the bolts had been numbered to the receiver.

[Ls6man]

Are the bolts ever numbered with the full serial number on the bottom of the bolt...electro penciled? 1922M11 btw

[Herschel]

The bolts of the 1922M1, 1922MII and M2 were always numbered with the complete serial number of the rifle.

[Herschel]

Deleted as this was a duplicate post.

[Ls6man]

So I'm assuming the rifles full serial will be electro penciled on the bolt underside. I've seen bolts that were electro penciled as well as stamped near the lugs hence why I was asking.

[Kragrifle]

I have only seen the number on the main body of the bolt. On the top for 30 caliber and bottom for the 22's.

[clintonhater]

I have only seen the number on the main body of the bolt. On the top for 30 caliber

The ONLY thing I don't love about my NRA Sporter; but I can live with it.

[Herschel]

The last of the NRA Sporters had the serial number on the bottom of the bolt. When the bolt is out of he receiver the extractor hides the sn. The extractor has to be rotated to see the sn.

I am not sure of the date, nor of the rifle sn, that the sn location was moved to the bottom.

Herschel