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bombdog

10-02-2016, 04:41

Question, what would the parkerizing color be on a USMC LN SA rebuilt in 1941???
It's all greenish now except the barrel band that's gray, like 'in the white' gray, every thing else, the stacking swivel and screw, and butt plate, are blued...
She's got a 1910 receiver with an 03A3 bolt and a USMC 8/41 circle S barrel...
Bought her as a sporter, wanna turn her into what she was in Guadalcanal...
Help???
bombdog, over...

cplnorton

10-02-2016, 05:39

Do you have any pics? Just sort of curious.

On rebuilds from 1941 you really see two different finishes. One is a magnesium parkerization that is just like a normal darker gray finish. Then you start to see a zinc parkerization that everyone refer's to as a USMC parkerization. Which is a lighter grey.

Personally myself I think it is more likely the Mangesium Finish was used in 41, and the zinc was just done during the war or possibly even after. I think some of the 41 dated rebuilds went back in again and were reparked later to zinc. But that is a personal opinion of mine from reading the Marine Docs. I can't prove that 100% yet.

But if it was me I would do Magnesium park, and keep the bolt blued. But that is my personal choice.

Here are two Marine rifles with 1941 dated Sedgley barrels.

Here is the magnesium.

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt293/cplnorton2/P1300087_zpskktwrxwj.jpg

Here is the zinc.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/RIA%20USMC%201903/P1150163_zps9bmhhgbq.jpg

cplnorton

10-02-2016, 05:43

bombdog

10-02-2016, 05:55

Rick the Librarian

10-02-2016, 06:11

Bombdog, I tried answering your PM but your Jouster message box was full. I glad you got together with Steve.

You might want to empty it so you can get future PMs.

RtL

bombdog

10-02-2016, 06:37

Tango mike Rick, 'all clear'...

ncblksmth1

10-03-2016, 09:23

Cplnorton
Could you check
1094401
and
1299607

Both seem to be used by the marines. I would love some sort of confirmation.

cplnorton

10-04-2016, 05:19

Okay, the color on 'maureen' is about the same as the second picture... i don't have color photo options as i don't know how to post them on a 'tablet' yet... Sorry, i'm teknologikly challenged... What color is the front band on those???
Her sr is 432058... The bolt is 1010207...
bombdog...

This is the band on the lower one. I do have one about 400 digits off your 432xxx, but that is close as I have. The interesting thing is, the first big shipment the Marines received of 1903's happened in 1910, with a larger one happening in 1911. I have one serial about 300 off from your bolt. I will keep a look our for you serial though. There is a chance I might find it, as I'm finding a lot of low number Marine serials, especially in that 400k range. And a lot of those Marines seem to be WWI vets, so this might be a really interesting one to hold onto. :)

The other interesting thing about that 1910 shipment of 1903's to the Marines, over a 1/4 of them were shipped to the Phillipines. So that will peak Rick Slater's interest. lol

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/P1300096_zpsieivticv.jpg

cplnorton

10-04-2016, 05:38

Cplnorton
Could you check
1094401
and
1299607

Both seem to be used by the marines. I would love some sort of confirmation.

I really don't have anything close to them. The 1.09 being the closest with hits about 4k away. But anything past WWI it gets really hairy with the Marines. Past WWI, there were only three ways a serial past WWI could have made it's way into the Marines. The Marines swapped some barreled Receivers with the Army Depots in the 20's. The Marine team rifles were shipped to the Marines in certain years from 1919 to 1940, and the 1903's the Marines acquired from the Navy in 1942. But of these three, only the team rifles were actually new rifles, which there were a little over a 1000. The rest would have have been any combination of serials.

Usually it is pretty rare to see Marine rifles in these higher serial ranges though. It's not impossible, but just a lot rarer.

Rick the Librarian

10-04-2016, 06:27

The other interesting thing about that 1910 shipment of 1903's to the Marines, over a 1/4 of them were shipped to the Phillipines. So that will peak Rick Slater's interest. lol

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/P1300096_zpsieivticv.jpg

What would REALLY "peak" my interest would be if you'd fine M1903 #165617 - that was my Uncle Homer Slater's M1903 when he was in the Marines in WWI -unfortunately, no telling if a Springfield or RIA - I'd guess the latter.

(Note: the change in name [from Willis Ward] is that he joined under an assumed name and was later "caught")

37693

Sunray

10-04-2016, 11:07

"...Mangesium Finish..." Manganese. Manganese based solutions give a black colour. Zinc comes out in shades of grey according to the metal it goes on.
A 1941 rifle would very likely have been in an out of the shop several times.

cplnorton

10-04-2016, 01:00

Actually Sunray you are right. I thought it said Magnesium, but pulled out the formula manual for the Marines it is actually phosphoric acid and Manganese Dioxide.

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/cplnorton11/14536802_10154599610939886_62930919_o_zps8hubqxnd. jpg

bombdog

10-04-2016, 03:24

So do you gents think this could be a gem, or just another piece of iron pyrite???
i want to get her back 'close' to correct... Man i gotta learn how to put my pictures on her... Sorry...
bombdog...

cplnorton

10-04-2016, 03:42

So do you gents think this could be a gem, or just another piece of iron pyrite???
i want to get her back 'close' to correct... Man i gotta learn how to put my pictures on her... Sorry...
bombdog...

The low number Marine rifles like this, I think are a lot neater than the high numbers. They are certainly a lot rarer than the high numbers. If this tells you anything on what I think about them, I am always looking for Marine rifles in this serial range. lol

bombdog

10-04-2016, 06:46

Know what you mean... i was 'just a bit' excited when i saw the Hatcher hole, then checked out the sr# with you guys, and went and gave the guy some cash...
'i' think she's worth it..
Maybe, by the time i get her utilities right i'll have this tablet loaded with pictures to share...
bombdog

Mike D

10-05-2016, 10:10

Bombdog- If you can email photos, I can post them for you, as I love to see photos of Marine '03's. I'll send you my address in a PM.

Mike

ElWoodman

10-07-2016, 08:48

2 for you to check, Mac.....SA 400204 and RIA 342646......RIA has a 9-41 sedgeley, SA has a 12-43.

bombdog

10-08-2016, 08:14

See if this will work... Hold yer breath...

bombdog

10-08-2016, 08:18

bombdog

10-08-2016, 08:26

Don't really think that was supposed to happen...
Any advice???
bombdog...

cplnorton

10-11-2016, 08:36

Oh wow that looks nice! I really, really like it.

cplnorton

10-11-2016, 08:40

2 for you to check, Mac.....SA 400204 and RIA 342646......RIA has a 9-41 sedgeley, SA has a 12-43.

On the SA I really don't have anything USMC around it.

On the RIA. I only have ones around it from the SRS

342605 010631USMC - SHANGHAI (ISSUED)
342664 020932USMC

Merc

10-13-2016, 09:31

3777937780

BD,

I replaced the Smith-Corona butt plate on my Remington 03-A3 with a Remington butt plate. It was slightly scuffed so I had it re-Parkerized by East Coast Bluing. The photos show the color of both butt plates is pretty much the same.

John Ed

10-13-2016, 05:13

cplnorton

could you check this one SA 576094 Sedgley 10-43

Thanks
John Ed

bombdog

10-13-2016, 06:21

http://www.jouster.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37779&stc=1http://www.jouster.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37780&stc=1

BD,

I replaced the Smith-Corona butt plate on my Remington 03-A3 with a Remington butt plate. It was slightly scuffed so I had it re-Parkerized by East Coast Bluing. The photos show the color of both butt plates is pretty much the same.

Thank's Merc,
i think i have a guy, the one who's 'apprenticing' me on old school US military battle rifles... He told me he has park tanks and chems...
i just need to get the barrel band done but didn't know whether it should have been blued or parkerized... i 'll go to some gun shows and try and find some stocks too...
Thanks gentlemen for the pointers...
bombdog, out here...

ElWoodman

10-17-2016, 12:51

Thank you

cplnorton

10-19-2016, 05:28

cplnorton

could you check this one SA 576094 Sedgley 10-43

Thanks
John Ed

The 43/44 dated Sedgley barrels are sort of a touchy subject if they were installed by the Marines or not.

But everything Marine in the 576xxx range is higher that I have.

576406 071530USMC - NICARAGUA
576472 USMC - AEF FRANCE WWI
576479 010438USMCR - BOSTON (SURVEY)
576507 USMC - AEF FRANCE WWI

John Ed

10-19-2016, 02:08

Thanks for your Help !

Kaliman

11-25-2016, 11:02

cplnorton

could you check this one SA 576094 Sedgley 10-43

Thanks
John Ed

I have a 1903 that's about 1000 off. It's SN 577615

Smokeeaterpilot

11-25-2016, 08:48

Let's see if luck be a lady...http://www.jouster.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37712&stc=1http://www.jouster.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37713&stc=1http://www.jouster.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37714&stc=1http://www.jouster.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=37715&stc=1

Bombdog,

From my personal records,

Not a hit, but close. For what it's worth, hope this is what you were looking for.

342055 2/18/1926 USMC

Respectfully,
Andrew

Smokeeaterpilot

11-25-2016, 09:00

1094401

From my personal records,

1094416 7/1/1919 NM Ord Dept Sea Girt Ammo Test

Not USMC, not a hit but surrounded by 1919 NM numbers both above and below. For what it's worth.

Respectfully,
Andrew

dcm450shtr@gmail.com

12-10-2016, 01:25

Oh if you want me to check your serial, I've been pulling a lot of early Marine serials out of a archive location that aren't in the SRS. And I have a lot of new 1910 Marine serials. Either post it or PM me it, and I will check to see if I have a hit. If I do, I can even tell you the name of the Marine who was issued it.

Dear cplnorton, I was reading an inquiry about a USMC '03 where you mentioned that you may be able to check a serial #. I have checked with John Beard, and he found no SRS info. I am wondering if you would be so kind as to check this # and see if anything comes of it. This '03 I recently purchased and JB said it is a real USMC rifle and I would love to know more about it if possible. Anything you can find would be very much appreciated. I would like to thank you in advance for your help, thanks! Here is the info that I have-

The rifle is a Rock Island serial #- 367679. It has a Springfield barrel dated 8/42, the bolt is a Remington with the # 828911 electric penciled on it. Anything you can find would be great.

I shoot High Power and for years shot with a WWII marine who was on Guadalcanal, his commanding officer was Lewis "Chesty" Puller. Puller recommended my friend for the MOH, which was reduced to a Navy Cross for his actions while in combat there. This friend died two years ago and is buried in Arlington National Cemetery. He was quite a character, and I really miss him a great deal.

Thanks again for anything you can find. Here is my email address dcm450shtr@gmail.com

Best Regards, Bill Bentz

cplnorton

12-12-2016, 04:39

Mr. Bentz, I am sending you a email sir.

ElWoodman

01-05-2017, 12:37

My 1919 RIA w/9/41 USMC circled S 03 was rebarrelled, but the receiver is in the original finish, not park'd. Possibly a Guadalcanal casualty, rebarrelled in the machine shop of a ship floatong on Ironbottom Sound. Would be quite a story.