a few very early 303 cartridges [Archive]

RCS

10-27-2016, 06:21

I found these in my collection and decided to post a few photos3796837969

dogtag

10-30-2016, 06:51

That's one helluva hollow point.
Any significance to the neck (crimps ?) ?

JB White

10-31-2016, 07:22

The MkIV and MkV rounds had what is casually called a Dum Dum bullet which was halted by the Hague Convention. The crimp is a 'stab' or 'jab' crimp which was a common method at the time.

RCS

10-31-2016, 09:22

The "Dum Dum" started with troop modification of the Mark II bullet.

The Mark IV was approved in Feb 1898 with a 215 gr cupro nickel envelope around a hollow point pure lead bullet at 2000 fps

The Mark V was approved in Oct 1899 and again during 1903/04 also with a 215 cupro nickel envelope around a hollow point
bullet but with an alloy mix to the lead, also at 2000 fps

Both the Mark IV and Mark V cartridges in my photo were manufactured in Canada

JB White

10-31-2016, 04:28

The "Dum Dum" started with troop modification of the Mark II bullet.

The Mark IV was approved in Feb 1898 with a 215 gr cupro nickel envelope around a hollow point pure lead bullet at 2000 fps

The Mark V was approved in Oct 1899 and again during 1903/04 also with a 215 cupro nickel envelope around a hollow point
bullet but with an alloy mix to the lead, also at 2000 fps

Both the Mark IV and Mark V cartridges in my photo were manufactured in Canada

Thanks for the better details. The Dominion headstamps gave those two away. :)
What is the MkII...DF? Can't make it out for certain on my screen.

RCS

10-31-2016, 05:33

The Mark II is from Eley

JB White

11-01-2016, 05:24

I still can't quite make out the headstamp.

RCS

11-01-2016, 12:55

JB White it is Kynock on the Mark II, I was wrong about Eley

here is a better photo3812538126

JB White

11-01-2016, 03:26

Test me on this. K C = Kynoch /Cordite?

RCS

11-01-2016, 03:49

Your right, if that Mark II was blackpowder it would be quite rare and without the Cordite stamp

JB White

11-02-2016, 07:53

what did I win? :)

RCS

11-03-2016, 06:04

JB, you won the chance to I.D.38145 these British military rifle cartridges

JB White

11-03-2016, 08:59

Thanks much on the Cubs. Been waiting a very long time! :)

I'm not a cartridge collector but I'll give it a sporting go. Recalling rifles and what they were chambered for. This is where you leave me in the dust...OK? ;)

1. 577-450 foiled
2. Early 303
3. .276 (Pattern 13 rifle)
4. 303 ball
5. The original 4mm SA80 round?
6. 280 for the SLEM?
7.

I don't know. You can see I'm guessing. :)

RCS

11-03-2016, 01:24

That was about the best World Series game in many years too.

1.577-450
2. 303 Mark VI
3. 276 Enfield
4. 303 Mk VII 1916
5. 4,85mm Tracer
6. 7,62x51mm NZ
7, 5,56mm

JB White

11-04-2016, 05:27

HA! I was on paper with the first five then flinched the easy ones off into the sunset! :)

That was about the best World Series game in many years too.

I had to look to see when the Braves played the Twins. That was 1991, so the best in 25 years not counting a few really good ones in between.
I'm still halfway in between dreamland and a state of disbelief. Didn't think I'd live long enough to see it.