Side arm contemporary with the Krag?

[Threesticks]

So I have an 1896 Rifle that I inherited from my Grandfather some years ago and began to wonder what would be a side arm that a soldier would have carried with his Krag?

Thanks, Steve.

[PhillipM]

Colt 1892

http://www.coltfever.com/site/bb2cf3f72c8345238203a24b5a5a2ee9/default?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coltfever.com%2FNew_A rmy___Navy.html#2929

[dave]

Most anything available, I would say. Average soldier probably had none. Many cut down Colt Single actions were made up at one point.

[psteinmayer]

Probably some 1861 Army Colt, and 1858 Remington Navy cap & ball revolvers still in use... much the same as Trapdoors in the SAW, and Krags in WW1.

Phillip, your link doesn't work.

[butlersrangers]

Steve:
The Krag was in Service from approximately 1894 to 1918. Side-Arms contemporary with the Krag will depend on place, time-frame, and 'branch' or type of service. As a rule, handguns seem to be carried by U.S. Officers and Cavalry Troopers, in period photos. Infantry men usually appear with rifle, ammo belt, and bayonet.

As others have mentioned, early Colt .38 caliber, double action, 'swing out cylinder' revolvers, (models 1889 and 1892), were in use during the Spanish American War. In the Philippines during the campaigns against the Moro, the .38 Colt cartridge proved to be inadequate in stopping 'drugged & body armored' Moro warriors.

This resulted in .45 cal. Colt model 1873 S.A.A., Colt model 1878 ('Alaskan/Philippine model'), and probably early Colt New Service revolvers being employed.

(Attached are some photos to give the 'flavor of the age').
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[butlersrangers]

FWIW: Photo of a (repro) Colt SAA, as altered, for re-issue during Philippine campaigns and a photo of (1902 production) Colt model 1878.

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[psteinmayer]

Man... Would I love to have that Indian!!!

[deadin]

Here's a likely candidate.... This one is an unaltered M1892 civilian model but is identical to the military models used in the 1890's

http://deadin.info/webpics/m1892Sides.jpg

[Bob S]

Colt New Service, 38 Long Colt (heeled bullet).

Respectfully,
Bob S.

[free1954]

Man... Would I love to have that Indian!!!



I thought that too. although that pile of arms taken from the moros is pretty interesting.

[blackhawknj]

Infantrymen just carried the rifle, officers had the revolvers. A cavalryman would have carried the Krag Carbine and a Colt M1889, M1894 or M1896. The Rough Riders had Krag carbines and Colt SAAs. At Kettle Hill TR carried a Colt M1889 Navy salvaged from theMaine, not the Colt SAA he carries in the movie.

[free1954]

Here's a likely candidate.... This one is an unaltered M1892 civilian model but is identical to the military models used in the 1890's

http://deadin.info/webpics/m1892Sides.jpg



very nice revolver.

[jon_norstog]

Lots of Rolling blocks there. You get hit with one of those big lead bullets, you go down.

jn

[Michaelp]

Average trooper would only have a rifle.
No need, no authorization, no room for a handgun.
Anybody who has been a grunt would get that.

[1903fan]

The Colt revolvers of that day were a thing of beauty, a great time to be an American serviceman!

[RCS]

first cartridge on the left is the 45 S&W Schofield and Colt Govt cartridge used from 1871 to 1882

second cartridge is the Colt 45 as used in the Colt single action

third cartridge is the Colt Govt Model 1909 45 cal for the New service revolver note: the rim diameter
has been enlarged about .030 inch and does not allow use in the old double and single action Colt
revolvers unless you load every other cylinder ! The rim diameter increase was to assure extraction
in the New Service revolver38289

[butlersrangers]

'RCS' - nice comparison of .45 cal. U.S. revolver cartridges.

I don't think the S&W Schofield was pressed into service in the Philippines, but, I do enjoy my Italian reproduction.

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[RCS]

Interesting to find a 1900 headstamp on both cartridges, the 38 Colt Army and 30-40 Krag (tinned)


also my S&W Uberti Russian 44 cal. I like the Russian model383043830238303

[Johnny P]

Colt New Service, 38 Long Colt (heeled bullet).

Respectfully,
Bob S.

The Colt New Service was never chambered in the .38 Long Colt cartridge. It was a puny cartridge, and brought on the need for a more powerful cartridge for the military. It wasn't until 1932 that the New Service was chambered in .38 S&W Special.

The swing out cylinder Models 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1901 and 1903 were chambered in the .38 Long Colt.

[RCS]

Also the early N frame S&W 38-44 revolver

38 Long Colt was used in the early Colt 1851 conversions

[sdkrag]

The Rolling Block Remingtons were more than likely .43 Spanish or 7mm left over from the Spanish occupation.