M1917 mag follower

[milboltnut]

why is the left side middle rib cut the way it is?


http://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/1903SpringfieldFollower.JPG

[fjruple]

That is so the magazine follower depressor can slipped in for doing the manual of arms (inspection arms). The bolt will not close without the magazine follower depressor.

--fjruple

edit-- Added "without" The brain was not working right when I posted the response.

[milboltnut]

you mean allow the bolt to be closed without depressing the follower.. looking for a demonstration of the depressor...

[JimF]

That is so the magazine follower depressor can slipped in for doing the manual of arms (inspection arms). The bolt will not close with the magazine follower depressor.

--fjruple

Huh? . . . . .

The purpose of the depressor is to ALLOW the bolt to close during the "manual"!

[milboltnut]

ooops I had to read it again. It should allow the bolt to be closed without depressing the follower.

[Dan Shapiro]

Later on, "Bubba" overcame this problem by filing down the rear of the follower from a 90% angle to a more rounded design that permitted the bolt to push the follower down as the bolt was pushed forward.

Same with the weak 'ejector spring'. "Bubba" came up with a way to replace the weak ejector with a small piece of spring (like that you'd find on a ballpoint pen).

[milboltnut]

I have the ejector with the spring.... eventually those ejectors are not going to be pleantiful.

[fjruple]

Later on, "Bubba" overcame this problem by filing down the rear of the follower from a 90% angle to a more rounded design that permitted the bolt to push the follower down as the bolt was pushed forward.

Same with the weak 'ejector spring'. "Bubba" came up with a way to replace the weak ejector with a small piece of spring (like that you'd find on a ballpoint pen).

It least "Bubba" got the weak ejector spring fix right. The small spring ejector fix was what Remington used on their commerical Model 30 series rifles and carbines.

--fjruple

[p246]

Was the weak ejector spring a left over from the pattern 14 design. I have not pulled my P14 bolt down to see if it's the same spring. Obviously the extractor is different, wonder if they kept the same spring from the rim design.

[JB White]

Same weakness prone flat spring for the ejector. I think the coil spring retrofit was a common fix as I've seen them used in quite a good number of 'veterans rifles'.
As far as the follower rib is concerned, I've always been under the impression the rib design was to control left/right loading and feeding.

[milboltnut]

Same weakness prone flat spring for the ejector. I think the coil spring retrofit was a common fix as I've seen them used in quite a good number of 'veterans rifles'.
As far as the follower rib is concerned, I've always been under the impression the rib design was to control left/right loading and feeding.


I've always been under the impression the rib design was to control left/right loading and feeding

You don't shoot the 1917 much do you?

[JB White]

I've owned them since the late 70's. Not my main interest though. Shoot them on occasion and had the job of keeping the Post rifles clean for about the last 15 years. Those rifles have ground followers. Have never bothered with the depressor as I've never had any desire for all the accoutrements.

So, are you going to politely set me correct so i might learn something, or is the snipe good enough?

[milboltnut]

If you load the magazine you would notice the cutouts have nothing to do with feeding.

http://www.ubbcentral.com/store/item/m1917-1917-us-enfield-follower-depressor,-usgi-unissued_201509834436.html

[JB White]

Well the next time I dig one out I'll look again to see which way the rounds stagger in the magazine.
In spite of your somewhat condescending reply, I thank you for showing me a good pic of the depressor. I've never bothered to take a good look at one before.
I think the only time I had seen one was a line sketch. Probably in an old Numrich catalog. Before they became GPC since that's how long its been since I ordered one.

[milboltnut]

As far as the follower rib is concerned, I've always been under the impression the rib design was to control left/right loading and feeding
So you have actually seen it to make a statement like this...


I've never bothered to take a good look at one before.


Well the next time I dig one out I'll look again to see which way the rounds stagger in the magazine

Again that has NOTHING to do with the "ribs"

But you said..

I've always been under the impression the rib design was to control left/right loading and feeding

so you did see the rib, but you don't know what they are for...does that make any sense? Or are you just tryin to cover up your tracks?

Please don't round and round and think you know what you are talking about... please stay from this thread, unless you do know what you are talking about.



So, are you going to politely set me correct so i might learn something, or is the snipe good enough


Sorry I can't politely correct you... due to the fact that you can't listen to the correct reason for the "ribs"... and the snipe got your attention, so no the snipe isn't good enough because you are continually saying the ribs are about staggered feeding....


the next time I dig one out I'll look again to see which way the rounds stagger in the magazine

[JB White]

You've shown your true colors.

[milboltnut]

and so have you... instead of coming here acting like you know.... find something else to do like putzing.

[JB White]

and so have you... instead of coming here acting like you know.... find something else to do like putzing.

Putzing..you must mean like sending pm's such as this.



putzing
Just in case you don't know what that means....

engage in inconsequential or unproductive activity

Someone admits they were under a misguided impression for a long time....so you not only flame, twist their words to suit your frustrated temper, but try to kick them off a board too? When did you buy this domain?
Life must suck for you.

Go ahead and get in your parting shot for the sake of bragging rights if it makes you feel so good. I won't see it. In all the years I've been on this board you're only the second to ever go on my ignore list.

[pickax]

JB
This guy has pulled the same trolling/flaming on other well respected folks under a different alias on other boards. Use the ignore feature and rest assured your input is still appreciated by sane people. Even if you're a cubby fan!

[Shomway]

Yea, and he got banned from the CMP Forum on Wednesday!!!! Only took him 6 weeks....

[johnny l.]

What are the chances that those milling cuts in the follower rib are there to make the follower just a little less heavy? In my time as a tool/die maker, I have seen a lot of parts that were machined or drilled to remove metal (weight) in such a way as to remove weight while not making the part weak. An ounce here, an ounce there -- Regards, Johnny Lawson

[JB White]

JB
This guy has pulled the same trolling/flaming on other well respected folks under a different alias on other boards. Use the ignore feature and rest assured your input is still appreciated by sane people. Even if you're a cubby fan!

Yeah, I figured that was a "must do" right off. Found out others have already clicked him too. He can write what he wants but few will see it.

Been a lifelong Cubs fan. Lived only a couple of blocks from Wrigley. Moved there in the late 50's through the mid 70's. Can't change now :)


Yea, and he got banned from the CMP Forum on Wednesday!!!! Only took him 6 weeks....

Heard that from a couple of CMP'ers too. Was going to drop all this but figured a 'Thank You' for some moral support was in order. Thanks.

[milboltnut]

Johnny,
the more I look at it, the more the machining on the left side of the center rib doesn't have anything to do with the magazine follower depressor. It slips into the magazine above the follower.

Those machine cuts don't seem to be used for it. The center rib is what staggers the rounds, and that's it.

[fjruple]

Johnny,
the more I look at it, the more the machining on the left side of the center rib doesn't have anything to do with the magazine follower depressor. It slips into the magazine above the follower.

Those machine cuts don't seem to be used for it. The center rib is what staggers the rounds, and that's it.

Actually there is a lip on the left side of the magazine follower depressor that fit into the groove cut on left side of the follower.

--fjruple

[milboltnut]

do you have one that you could take a pic of to show?.. I'd be interested to see.

[johnny l.]

milboltnut, I did not say anything about the magazine follower depressor at all. I said that I thought that the milled out areas on the follower's left side could simply be there in order to make the follower weigh less. The same thing is done to some butt stocks, a hole is drilled in the butt in order to remove weight from the stock. The butt plate covers the hole. That hole is not meant to be used to store a cleaning kit. Regards, Johnny Lawson

[fjruple]

milboltnut--

I will get a pic of the follower and magazine depressor together, but please give me several days.

Thanks

--fjruple

[RC20]

Yeah, I figured that was a "must do" right off. Found out others have already clicked him too. He can write what he wants but few will see it.

Been a lifelong Cubs fan. Lived only a couple of blocks from Wrigley. Moved there in the late 50's through the mid 70's. Can't change now :)


Heard that from a couple of CMP'ers too. Was going to drop all this but figured a 'Thank You' for some moral support was in order. Thanks.

Late to the support end but fully agreed. Real attitude.