View Full Version : Remington or S.A. which do I choose??
Discus420
04-22-2017, 11:05
I got both these actions at an estate sale. I can only afford to keep one and restore it so.......
Which one would you pick?
3470345 Remington 1943 (M1903A3) and 1253181 (1923) S.A
If both of these barreled actions are equal in condition are they valued the same? Is one worth more than the other? if so why??
m1903rifle
04-22-2017, 05:24
Probably easier and cheaper to restore the M1903-A3, but the SA would be worth more when completed.
The Springfield Armory would be pretty easy to complete and would be way neater.
Discus420
04-22-2017, 08:18
The Springfield Armory would be pretty easy to complete and would be way neater.
Thanks m1903 and Fred I'm gonna restore the S.A. should be fun fun fun I get them Tuesday!..... Hey Fred that's funny we both live in the same place!!.....garage is mine
You want an '03 or an '03A3? A rebuild is a rebuild otherwise. A great deal depends on your budget though.
Based just on Gunparts' availability the '03A3 will be easier. Gunparts has barrels(replacement barrel manufactured by ER Shaw) for those but not for 03's.
I get most of my 1903 parts from gunparts. But barrels and stocks are almost only available on eBay (and at times on GunBroker) but expect to pay top dollar as these two items are in short Supply. Good choice tho for a project and it it fun to do. Send us photos when you're done
Discus420
04-25-2017, 01:10
I get most of my 1903 parts from gunparts. But barrels and stocks are almost only available on eBay (and at times on GunBroker) but expect to pay top dollar as these two items are in short Supply. Good choice tho for a project and it it fun to do. Send us photos when you're done
How about if I send a photo now! because I already need some help. Can someone explain what I need to get as far as rear sights please? I am going to restore both they both have great barrels and I figure two is gotta be better than one when it comes to any gun....
3470345 Remington 1943 barrel is a 2/43 and 1253181 (1923) S.A barrel is 12/22
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If you really don't know much about 1903's or what parts to look for and obtain or where to find them, or even which of the rifles you like best and so will choose, then in all honesty, I don't think that you are ready for this project.
If the 1903 were mine, it would be a very easy rifle for me to complete accurately. If you don't know where to go to find the correct parts or even what correct parts are necessary for that rifle, why are you even wanting to do it? It's like this, if someone else were to correctly assemble the rifle for you, how would you be able to subsequently thoroughly enjoy going over it with hand and eye while you cradle it in your arms and handle it if you can't recognize how proper and correct it appears to be? You really wouldn't know if it was correct or not unless somebody told you.
I think that if and when you are in possession of a correct as assembled 1903 or 1903 A3 (I have never had a desire for one of those by the way), you will not be in a position to appreciate it nearly as much as you would if you really knew and therefor appreciated such a rifle.
What I'm saying is this... Learn the subject well FIRST and THEN you'll be ready for your project.
I'm not trying to hurt your feelings or be an a$$hole, I just think that you ought to set your priorities right first to get the full enjoyment out of it. All of the information you need is in a handful of books that are available to you and also in the knowledge of the subject here on this excellent forum. I've been messing with 1903's for over 40 years and I handled and examined lots of correct and incorrect rifles For Some Time before I ever bought one while learning about what was the correct and the as issued form for each from Brophy's book and from photo's of rifles belonging to knowledgeable collectors. When I finaly bought my first 1903, I recognized its original correctness and was therefor thrilled to have found and obtained it. Keep asking around and keep studying the subject a lot. Then you will Really enjoy the subject of your project when you know more.
You've already got your barreled receiver so start learning about the subject. Learn what went on a rifle of 1922 vintage. You will then know what to look for and the rest is so very easy.
Every part that you will need is still available. Every part.
Discus420
04-25-2017, 02:36
can anyone tell me what the correct markings are, for a rear sight, on a 1922 Springfield M1903? I found one marked O.L. and the other is marked G
Your rear sight ladder should Not have a Volley Notch on the top. It should Not have an R for Remington on it anywhere. It should have curved legs on the Seven's (7) as they are Springfield Armory sight leafs and Not Rock Island made. Those have Straight legs on the Sevens, not curved. Because Remington used the original Rock Island tooling and machinery to make 1903's, they too will have straight legged 7's, BUT they will also have an R stamped on them as well as on the knobs.
The tightening knob will be a specific type too as well as the lateral adjustment (what is called the Windage knob) knob. There are pictures available of those that some can post for you.
The bolt could be a double heat treated one with a stamping of WL and 3 on top of the bolt handle.
Go to this site below and click on it. It's the only place you can find this information.
http://www.vishooter.net/m1903.html
By the way, your 1898 Krag is an easy fix too if and when you decide to reassemble it to original specs as per the rifles issued to the 26th US Vol. Infantry. All of the correct parts can be found on eBay.
Except for the finish and the bolt and the serrated butt plate and serrated trigger, your rifle should look pretty much like my old 1920 National Match rifle in profile. Just click on the link below...
http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php?45754-1920-National-Match&highlight=1920+National+Match
Discus420
04-25-2017, 03:29
Your rear sight ladder should Not have a Volley Notch on the top. It should Not have an R for Remington on it anywhere. It should have curved legs on the Seven's (7) as they are Springfield Armory sight leafs and Not Rock Island made. Those have Straight legs on the Sevens, not curved.
The tightening knob will be a specific type too as well as the lateral adjustment (what is called the Windage knob) knob. There are pictures available of those that some can post for you.
The bolt could be a double heat treated one with a stamping of WL and 3 on top of the bolt handle.
Go to this site below and click on it. It's the only place you can find this information.
http://www.vishooter.net/m1903.html
Thanks Fred now I know exactly what to look for. I have been on Vi's page and it has been very helpful but your detail is perfect. The bolt has the WL and 3
By the way, your 1898 Krag is an easy fix too if and when you decide to reassemble it to original specs as per the rifles issued to the 26th US Vol. Infantry. All of the correct parts can be found on eBay.
You basically have a receiver, bolt, butt plate, and rear band, trigger guard, You'll need an 1896 rifle rear sight (there's more than one and Krag Rifle and Five Mad Farmers and Dick Culver can teach you about those and everything else concerning Krags), a stock, 1896 hand guard, 1898 Front Band and a barrel with an 1896 front sight blade.
Everything can be found on eBay. Honest Injun!
Discus420
04-25-2017, 03:49
By the way, your 1898 Krag is an easy fix too if and when you decide to reassemble it to original specs as per the rifles issued to the 26th US Vol. Infantry. All of the correct parts can be found on eBay.
Can I just put you on retainer?? :1948:
Discus420
04-25-2017, 03:57
By the way, your 1898 Krag is an easy fix too if and when you decide to reassemble it to original specs as per the rifles issued to the 26th US Vol. Infantry. All of the correct parts can be found on eBay.
As the saying goes when it rains it pours! In this case its a good thing 3 projects at one time that's just how the opportunity presented itself and who am I to argue . I am building my way up to restoring that Krag I think it deserves to be fixed.
Discus420
04-25-2017, 04:10
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I think this one is correct????
Yes, it is. Even the slide tightening knob is correct for 1922 I do believe. However somebody else can verify that or correct me for you.
Rick the Librarian
04-25-2017, 04:29
The rear sight has been refinished to WWII specs. Don't know if that makes a difference or not to you.
Can I just put you on retainer?? :1948:
I would be only too happy to let you know where and when I locate each needed part of your Krag for you to correctly put it back into configuration of what the 26th received in 1899. They will be found on eBay or Gunbroker or S&S Firearms or J.D.Christopher's
Also, you will not need to pay me a dime for anything I find in the box and forward to you on that rifle. Thanks for offering though.
The rear sight has been refinished to WWII specs. Don't know if that makes a difference or not to you.
Rick knows what he is talking about!
Discus420
04-25-2017, 04:49
The bolt could be a double heat treated one with a stamping of WL and 3 on top of the bolt handle.
Go to this site below and click on it. It's the only place you can find this information.
http://www.vishooter.net/m1903.html
The bolt has the WL and the 3 it also has a slight curve or bend to it is it supposed to be that way?
Rick the Librarian
04-25-2017, 04:50
Yep! :)
Discus420
04-25-2017, 05:12
I would be only too happy to let you know where and when I locate each needed part of your Krag for you to correctly put it back into configuration of what the 26th received in 1899. They will be found on eBay or Gunbroker or S&S Firearms or J.D.Christopher's
Also, you will not need to pay me a dime for anything I find in the box and forward to you on that rifle. Thanks for offering though.
That help would be fantastic! I cant thank you enough
Discus420
04-25-2017, 05:14
Rick knows what he is talking about!
Thanks Rick, I guess since I don't know if that makes a difference it doesn't?
I guess I should ask....... would you put that sight on that gun?
Rick the Librarian
04-25-2017, 09:23
Sight? I thought you were asking about the bolt! :)
Discus420
04-26-2017, 12:35
The rear sight has been refinished to WWII specs. Don't know if that makes a difference or not to you.
I was asking about the sight if is it correct for that gun. The finish looks very black not like the rest of the gun is that what you mean by WW2 finish??
Discus420
04-26-2017, 01:46
I think I found a stock that would be proper for the 1922 Springfield can you please tell me if I am mistaken??
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Discus420
04-26-2017, 01:49
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You are mistaken.
If you look at the photos of my 1920 NM rifle that I had referenced in an earlier post as having a similar type of stock and hand guard, you will notice that the stock on my rifle has Grasping Grooves.
You can put anything on it that you'd like of course.
Discus420
04-26-2017, 04:05
You are mistaken.
If you look at the photos of my 1920 NM rifle that I had referenced in an earlier post as having a similar type of stock and hand guard, you will notice that the stock on my rifle has Grasping Grooves.
You can put anything on it that you'd like of course.
I don't want to buy the wrong one and I appreciate your advice. I looked at your 1920 NM its amazing... The stock is going to be hard for a newbee to pick out I need to do more research I have been reading everything I can find . I thought that stock was correct and you could have it with or without the Grooves in 1922. There is a lot of misinformation on the internet also. Thanks for saving me from getting the wrong one.
I found this one I think is correct for the 1943 Remington please let me know lets see if I can get one out of two its a little beat up and its gonna be about 200$
What is the going rate for a stock and handguard is 200$ about right?
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Discus420
04-26-2017, 04:05
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I don't know a thing about 1903-A3's. There are a lot of guys on here who do though including John Beard and Rick Slater (Rick the Librarian). Any of them could help you more than I could. You should post a question on the 1903 Forum in a new thread asking specifically when stocks started coming out Without grasping grooves. That should get you some answers.
Discus420
04-26-2017, 07:49
I don't know a thing about 1903-A3's. There are a lot of guys on here who do though including John Beard and Rick Slater (Rick the Librarian). Any of them could help you more than I could. You should post a question on the 1903 Forum in a new thread asking specifically when stocks started coming out Without grasping grooves. That should get you some answers.
I got my answer its the wrong stock. I understand Fred thanks. I was just commenting on the mis information available on the web, that's why guys like you, John, and Rick and so on are so important to the hobby its what keeps it going...
And your right I cant do this project correctly without help there is no way I will get it straight.
I have purchased some books from amazon Ill be back after I read them!!!
How about if I send a photo now! because I already need some help. Can someone explain what I need to get as far as rear sights please? I am going to restore both they both have great barrels and I figure two is gotta be better than one when it comes to any gun....
3470345 Remington 1943 barrel is a 2/43 and 1253181 (1923) S.A barrel is 12/22
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While I am Brand new to this site and don't know exactly how it works, I have an A3 rear sight that I got from my uncle that he pulled from an A3 he Sporterized, if you are still in need of the rear sight for your A3 it is yours for the asking. If so let me know and we can exchange a mailing address.
Discus420
06-12-2017, 03:16
While I am Brand new to this site and don't know exactly how it works, I have an A3 rear sight that I got from my uncle that he pulled from an A3 he Sporterized, if you are still in need of the rear sight for your A3 it is yours for the asking. If so let me know and we can exchange a mailing address.
Well thanks for the offer 2A-Jay I sold the action a while back on this site but I do appreciate your generosity !! The fellow that got the action might like it!! he fixes up 03's and donates them to the American Legion and volunteers his time doing the upkeep on the guns they use at Funerals and parades and the like his name on this site is Ed Byrns a real stand up guy
you can send him a PM if you care to
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