Older eyes.

[p246]

Just curious if others have followed this trend. As I am Bumping 50 my close vision is starting to go. I've shot iron sight rifles for years well, at least in my opinion. I find myself moving to scoped rifles the last few years, with the diopter and magnification trumping vision issues. You middle age guys do the same or go a different route. I can still shoot sights like the M1, No IV LE, and O3A3 well, it is the rear V notch on the No 1 LE and 1903 that has become difficult. I can see the front sight but not the rear sight as it is blurry. The rear sight is just the right distance from my eyes that I can not focus on it. i can put the fish eye type device (not right name) on my glasses and it helps, but that will fade in a few more years. Getting old sucks.

[m1ashooter]

I've gone to optics which help greatly. I still use the peep on my M1 only because I don't want to spend the money for a rail. I cant really see the front post on my 1911 so just point and shoot.

[leftyo]

most peoples eye's start going downhill sometime in their 40's. love me a high quality optic!

[Allen]

I still like open sights. On a rifle it doesn't seem to matter since I am concentrating on a target far away and the sights just seem to align themselves. On pistols it's another story. At close range targets (squirrels) I try to focus on the object, the rear sight and the front sight at the same time. It is a pain for me to see the dark front sight in less than brilliant sunlight so I switched over to pistol's with the red ramp sight. Helped me. As far as scopes go I like Leupold because the eye relief is like 4-5" and easy to sight with where the cheaper scopes may have a 2-3" relief and by the time you get everything focused just right your target is long gone.

If you're bumping 50 and just now having eye problems you are lucky. Immediately after I turned 40 my close up vision started to go. I had to start using reading glasses to read anything at all. Then I had to start going to stronger strengths on the glasses. Finally I went to the doctor expecting the worse fearing I had cataracts. After the exam and telling the doc what was going on he laughed and said "turned 40 huh?".

[bonnie]

You might want to try low power reading glasses. I started out using .5 power years ago and have worked my way up to 1.0 and sometimes 1.25 power depending on the light conditions. The lower power reading glasses sharpen the front sight on pistol and rifle for me and I can still see at distance. At 66 yoa, I know optics are in my near future but I will stay with iron sights as long as possible.

[JB White]

My close in vision is fine. I remove my glasses or look under them. My bifocals are set at arms length so I can read a tape measure or a baseball scorecard on my lap. (Same bifocal in my sunglasses) Makes reading the dashboard easier too.
I put Williams Fire Sights on my 22 mag rifle. Easier to put the dots on a 'yote at dusk. Thinking about doing it with some other guns as well.
Gave up and sold my 03 over a decade ago because I could no longer see the thin sights. The M1's and M1917's are OK using the peep since I can superimpose the front sight on target easier. Struggling to shoot my earlier Lee Enfields though.
On my H&R 45-70 I toyed with different sight combos. Discovered a front fire sight and the u notch in the factory rear worked better than anything else...for me.

Handguns...not much I can do with my S&W's being older models. My Rugers will easily accept Fire sights or tru-glo's. Thinking about that so I can stretch my range out again.
Putting optics on everything runs into the $$$KER_CHING$$$ range. I expect to have to glass a few though.

[RED]

At 74 I have to have optics to shoot about anything. I made a good shot last week and bagged a whitetail. It lasered out to be 155 yards. I was using one of my '03 Springfields in '06 with a 165 Gr. #2145 SRA SBT ahead of 46.x gr of 4895 in a LC 69 Match case. The little buck was moving from left to right with his head down.

Most of my scopes are Leupold 3X9's and I usually leave them on 3 power. My favorite scope is on my little full Mannlicher stocked 1903 that was put together by the Fajun Custom Shop in 1973. It is a vintage Weaver 4X with fine crosshairs. As far as handguns go I have Tru-glos and a laser on my HK USPC .40 and don't use the sights on my 838 S&W... it is all instinct in 10 yards or less.

[S.A. Boggs]

Had both eyes done last year, only reading glasses now. What a joy not to have to wear glasses after 55 years!!!
Sam

[p246]

I still like open sights. On a rifle it doesn't seem to matter since I am concentrating on a target far away and the sights just seem to align themselves. On pistols it's another story. At close range targets (squirrels) I try to focus on the object, the rear sight and the front sight at the same time. It is a pain for me to see the dark front sight in less than brilliant sunlight so I switched over to pistol's with the red ramp sight. Helped me. As far as scopes go I like Leupold because the eye relief is like 4-5" and easy to sight with where the cheaper scopes may have a 2-3" relief and by the time you get everything focused just right your target is long gone.

If you're bumping 50 and just now having eye problems you are lucky. Immediately after I turned 40 my close up vision started to go. I had to start using reading glasses to read anything at all. Then I had to start going to stronger strengths on the glasses. Finally I went to the doctor expecting the worse fearing I had cataracts. After the exam and telling the doc what was going on he laughed and said "turned 40 huh?".

My doctor said same I was behind curve but expect losses till around 55. He said around 55 the drop slows way down and Lasiks would be an option. i wear readers at 1 or 1.5 if that's what I find. Pistol does not bother me at all for some reason. I punch out and can see both. It's the dang rear sight on. My No 1 Mk III and * along with 1903s. The rear sight is just fuzzy enough I can pick front sight up through rear V

[p246]

My close in vision is fine. I remove my glasses or look under them. My bifocals are set at arms length so I can read a tape measure or a baseball scorecard on my lap. (Same bifocal in my sunglasses) Makes reading the dashboard easier too.
I put Williams Fire Sights on my 22 mag rifle. Easier to put the dots on a 'yote at dusk. Thinking about doing it with some other guns as well.
Gave up and sold my 03 over a decade ago because I could no longer see the thin sights. The M1's and M1917's are OK using the peep since I can superimpose the front sight on target easier. Struggling to shoot my earlier Lee Enfields though.
On my H&R 45-70 I toyed with different sight combos. Discovered a front fire sight and the u notch in the factory rear worked better than anything else...for me.

Handguns...not much I can do with my S&W's being older models. My Rugers will easily accept Fire sights or tru-glo's. Thinking about that so I can stretch my range out again.
Putting optics on everything runs into the $$$KER_CHING$$$ range. I expect to have to glass a few though.

I shoot some rifle compitetions so have some Bushell Elite HDMRs that work very well. Just ordered an IOR Valdada TX Raider (built on Lutaz line with slitghy different reticle) for a 260 competition rig. However that will probably be my last high dollar scope. By the time you built the rifle get glass etc your into a good used car price

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At 74 I have to have optics to shoot about anything. I made a good shot last week and bagged a whitetail. It lasered out to be 155 yards. I was using one of my '03 Springfields in '06 with a 165 Gr. #2145 SRA SBT ahead of 46.x gr of 4895 in a LC 69 Match case. The little buck was moving from left to right with his head down.

Most of my scopes are Leupold 3X9's and I usually leave them on 3 power. My favorite scope is on my little full Mannlicher stocked 1903 that was put together by the Fajun Custom Shop in 1973. It is a vintage Weaver 4X with fine crosshairs. As far as handguns go I have Tru-glos and a laser on my HK USPC .40 and don't use the sights on my 838 S&W... it is all instinct in 10 yards or less.
When I'm 74 I hope I'm still knocking them down....

[jjrothWA]

Consider getting the new Knobloch or "Jagger" glasses from Champion Choice orChampion Shooter supply, then talk with your eye doctor about setting the :dominant eye to fcus at the nominal distance that your front sight will be, as measure from yout eye to the front sight. Have recent ly re adjusted mine to focus @ 36 inches.

For regular glassed consider rotating the close-up bifocal, ninety degrees, as this will minimize rolling your head back to use the bifical lens.
I was shooting a league with a revovler [only one of two] as the distance increase, the RO indiacted that before his retirement as a LEO, he rotated the bifocal to vertical from his nose to almost mid-point, but it allowed him to use his sidearm eaasily for firing.

[aintright]

"When I'm 74 hope I'm still knocking them down", I hear ya , hope I can still get out there by then LOL .
One thing that has helped me with handguns is wider rear sight notch . Even with a fuzzy front post , with the extra daylight on each side I can center the front post up better .
My glocks I installed after market night sights , the rear notch is significantly wider , with my 629 , took the rear blade out and carefully filed the notch a little on each side , putting it back in and checking it till I got enough day light on each side . Still can't shoot a handgun like I used to , but can maintain two inch groups with the 629 at 25 yds . Started carrying it again hoping for a up close shot on a white tail . In field conditions , I will not try it past 25-30 yds . Confidence has suffered some too and want to make sure I do it right with first shot .
These days a follow up shot would probably be pretty shabby .
Got a couple 03's with Williams rear peeps I can still see ok in the shade , but in bright sun they go down the tube .
Kenneth

[p246]

Consider getting the new Knobloch or "Jagger" glasses from Champion Choice orChampion Shooter supply, then talk with your eye doctor about setting the :dominant eye to fcus at the nominal distance that your front sight will be, as measure from yout eye to the front sight. Have recent ly re adjusted mine to focus @ 36 inches.

For regular glassed consider rotating the close-up bifocal, ninety degrees, as this will minimize rolling your head back to use the bifical lens.
I was shooting a league with a revovler [only one of two] as the distance increase, the RO indiacted that before his retirement as a LEO, he rotated the bifocal to vertical from his nose to almost mid-point, but it allowed him to use his sidearm eaasily for firing.

Interesting, my problem is my long distance vision is 20/20 only up close do I have a vision correction. Probably why fully extended pistol and rifle front sights are fine, just the closer rear V rifle sight is giving me issues. I'm sure time will take care of my 20/20 long vision to though....

[Sunray]

"...can see the front sight but not the rear..." That's actually ok as long as you can see the rear well enough to put the front where it belongs. Mind you, those V notch sights were never any good when compared to a peep.
It'd be a cryin' shame to Bubba a vintage battle rifle just because of one's eye sight though.
"...expect losses till around 55..." I think he's being optimistic. Mind you, I got specs for distance at 42ish and my vision hasn't gotten any worse. Hearing is gone in one ear though. Fortunately, I'm, not listening anyway. snicker.

[Former Cav]

With my m1a with the hooded rear aperture, I bought an Olson lense the is held in place with O'rings. works great.
I can still see the sights on my Kimber Polymer Target 1911 as it has a big target (Bowmar) sight on it.
When it comes to small sights like on a Makarov, well, the groups OPEN UP.

[Allen]

As our eyes age and our accuracy diminishes it's still important we hit our targets. We need guns that don't need to be aimed so precisely.
We need guns like the Blunderbuss, sawed off shotguns, machine guns and 40mm grenade launchers. Just my 2 cents worth though.

[S.A. Boggs]

As our eyes age and our accuracy diminishes it's still important we hit our targets. We need guns that don't need to be aimed so precisely.
We need guns like the Blunderbuss, sawed off shotguns, machine guns and 40mm grenade launchers. Just my 2 cents worth though.
AAA?:banana100:
Sam

[clintonhater]

What a joy not to have to wear glasses after 55 years!!!
Sam

What a joy to be wearing glasses the countless times they've prevented something--a twig I didn't notice when walking through brush, a foreign object thrown up when operating some machine, etc.--from hitting my eyes. Sure, you can put on eye protection when expecting trouble, but trouble has the unfortunate habit of coming when you don't expect it.

[clintonhater]

Mind you, those V notch sights were never any good when compared to a peep...

Of course not, but who, most often, were those rifles with V-notches issued to? Young bucks between 17 and their early '20s; possessing perfect visual "accommodation" in other words. Not too many 40 yr old eyes in the ranks.

[dryheat]

Gave up and sold my 03 over a decade ago because I could no longer see the thin sights. -

I never owned a 1903 and I've had a lot of rifles. I thought that was kind of Un-American so I finally picked one up and immediately sold it. I shoot everything(almost) I own and even though there's five different ways to use the rear sight I couldn't use it at all. I don't own an 03a3 either right now, but I'd sure like to pick one up. I hate old time mauser v notch sights but miraculously I can actually still hit pretty good with them even though it's just a blur. Cheaters sound like a good idea but I worry about eye protection.

[p246]

"...can see the front sight but not the rear..." That's actually ok as long as you can see the rear well enough to put the front where it belongs. Mind you, those V notch sights were never any good when compared to a peep.
It'd be a cryin' shame to Bubba a vintage battle rifle just because of one's eye sight though.
"...expect losses till around 55..." I think he's being optimistic. Mind you, I got specs for distance at 42ish and my vision hasn't gotten any worse. Hearing is gone in one ear though. Fortunately, I'm, not listening anyway. snicker.

The rear sight is just blurry enough it was hard to see the front sight. Black on black does not help either. Painting the back of the front sight gold helped some. No bubbaing of any of my LEs...it comes to that I'll just admire em till I take a dirt nap lol

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As our eyes age and our accuracy diminishes it's still important we hit our targets. We need guns that don't need to be aimed so precisely.
We need guns like the Blunderbuss, sawed off shotguns, machine guns and 40mm grenade launchers. Just my 2 cents worth though.

Might just have to go with hand grenades eventually....shoulder will probably give out and it will go 10 feet.

[Allen]

AAA?:banana100:
Sam

AAA = Against All Authority -- Yep

AAA = American Automobile Association -- Nope

Other terms that AAA is an abbreviation of that would be a "nope"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA

[Chaz]

Pushing 69 years and now have difficulty finding the skinny front blade of a 1903. The front sight of my 1911 is getting fuzzy too. The M1 front sight is so large that it's clear. Anyway, I got some 0.5 diopter glasses from Amazon (cheap) and that solve the problem for me. Of course we're all different, especially togor.

[S.A. Boggs]

AAA = Against All Authority -- Yep

AAA = American Automobile Association -- Nope

Other terms that AAA is an abbreviation of that would be a "nope"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA
Anti Aircraft Artillery.
Sam

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Pushing 69 years and now have difficulty finding the skinny front blade of a 1903. The front sight of my 1911 is getting fuzzy too. The M1 front sight is so large that it's clear. Anyway, I got some 0.5 diopter glasses from Amazon (cheap) and that solve the problem for me. Of course we're all different, especially togor.
With both of my implants and removal of my cataracts last year my vision has improved. I now can use electronic sights that were useless before and peep sight are very good. I whited my Sigmund sights as the night sights are diminished with 30 year age.
Sam