garand stock accessories

[DaveL]

Hello all,
I've been looking around eBay and other places, to try to find the cleaning kit and oil bottle accessories that are correct and original for the stock compartment of my 1955 built Springfield Garand. There are lots of different kits and bottles listed for different time frames. Some originals and some repros. I'd like to find the correct original ones for my 1955 rifle.
So, I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to list the parts or post a picture of the original stuff that my Post Korean War '55 Garand would have had in the stock at the time of issue.
Thanks In Advance,
DaveL

[gwp]

From CMP:

http://www.civilianmarksmanship.com/accessoryhtml/acccleaning.html

https://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/cleaning-kits/rifle-cleaning-kits/m1-garand-wwii-buttstock-cleaning-kit-prod23978.aspx

http://www.m1garand.com/store/m1_garand_complete_buttstock_cleaning_kit.html

http://www.fulton-armory.com/cleaningkitfbuttstock308.aspx

[Dan Shapiro]

You can also check

http://www.billricca.com/m1_m14.htm

You can contact him via email and explain what era your looking for. Bill answers his own phone and would be glad to help. If he doesn't have it, he can point you in the right direction.

[Richard H Brown Jr]

DaveL:

Get a copy of the WW2 era M-1 Rifle manual, (available for down loading online at lots of places). This will give you a start on the accessories used to maintain the M-1. Acquiring them will take you to many a strance place. Like Sarco, Numrich parts houses. Liberty Tree etc:

Web Sties I just found on a quick search:

http://www.m1garand.com/store/m1_garand_accessories.html

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/garand.aspx Note: some of theses are Danish or Italian issue items.

https://www.northridgeinc.com/category-s/191.htm Note: The Thong pull thru. Don't use it with the original twine, after 70+ yrs it's rotten. The best work around is bying a french MAS rifle cleaning cit, it contains a pull thru that's either knoted onits pull thru or metal crimped. Remove and knot on the garand pull thru and you got a CEFGW working thong pull thru. (Close Enough For Government Work)

http://www.civilianmarksmanship.com/accessories.html Note: the Combo tool is the 2nd version, If you buy one with the wire bristles all crushed in and munged up with crud, the pin that holds it onto the tool can be pushed out on one side, and the old brush removed and replaced with a new one, it's captive, so you won't loose it.

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/garand.aspx parts and accessories. several pages.

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/m1garandcombotoolwbrushnew.aspx I added this to show you the first model of the combo tool, the slotted solid fron was used in conjunction with a patch to clean the chamber of the barrel.

https://www.northridgeinc.com/category-s/191.htm

https://www.ammogarand.com/m1gaacamcami.html

http://www.billricca.com/m1_m14.htm He sells original GI parts and accessories.

https://www.amherst-depot.com/garand.htm

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/us-military/rifles-usm/m1-garand-3/accessories-m1g Note: I've heard that as original GI parts have been used up, they've gone in some cases to imported new manufactured items of poorer quality. You take your chances.

Since you said you want it as it came out of the Factory in 1955, a heavy cotton web sling (not the later synthetic woven style web sling). would be what came with the rifle. For information and dipslay purposes the FM and TM dated around 1950-1965 will work, Beause bases on stocks of printed manuals, any date from the 40's thru the 60's would be available to the soldier/marine for use.

Any of the people here can add moreinfo on stuff you would want to have for display purposes.

I hope this helps you start to find the stuff you want to collect.

R Brown

[psteinmayer]

If you go to the National Rifle Matches in July at Camp Perry, there is no shortage of venders with oilers, grease pots and other items that are correct. You'll also find new cleaning kits in the original packaging at the CMP North Store.

[gwp]

If you go to the National Rifle Matches in July at Camp Perry, there is no shortage of venders with oilers, grease pots and other items that are correct. You'll also find new cleaning kits in the original packaging at the CMP North Store.

From the estore:

https://estore.thecmp.org/Catalog/Item/PS106

https://estore.thecmp.org/Catalog/Item/PS107

https://estore.thecmp.org/Catalog/Item/PS125BCT

https://estore.thecmp.org/Catalog/Item/PS125SCT

[DaveL]

Thanks for all the replies to my question.
I'm still a little confused though. I guess I didn't word my question right. I'll try to do better this time. What I'm trying to find out is which one of the different cleaning kits, oilers and or tools that are correct for my 1955 built Garand. Some kits have a cardboard tube with the cleaning rods, some have the plastic oilier with yellow caps, some have the tool instead of the oilier etc. The key to my question is which parts were with my 1955 rifle when it was issued. I'm not having trouble finding the different stuff, I just don't know which ones are correct for my 1955 built Garand.
TIA
DaveL

[togor]

Anything issued prior to 1955 is correct for a 1955 rifle.

[gwp]

Bill Ricca's article suggests the M10 was first produced in early 1953.

http://www.billricca.com/m10_identification.htm

[Richard H Brown Jr]

We get into confusing territory, when you say *as issued* in 1955. Typically the rifles would be dipped in cosmoline, and packaged in a crate of probably 10 with the sling, manual and empty cleaning kits (ie no oil or bore cleaner). They would have been shipped directly to an Ordnance Corps Depot and held in stock. Active units would have already have their rifles. And each one would have been in the arms room if it hadn't been assigned to a service man, stored in the arms room racks, with the stock kit holes empty, and the bayonet and scabbard probably stored in a GI footlocker, inventoried and banded so as to make it easy for accountability. Extra stuff like, the small cans of bore cleaner, the refill half gallon cans, linen patches would be bulk ordered from supply based on requistions from the armorer (who was usually a supply room guy anyway). Based on the number of rifles, there would be spare parts for unit repairs, and alot of the cleaning kits to make up for lost bits. And since units had been issued rifles for a long time, you'd have a little bit of every style of cleaning kits. There'd be a certain amount of extra rifles (something like 10%) for exchanges for broken rifles, that would be sent to a higher maint. facility, Divisional Ordnance Battalion, or higher if they couldn't repair it, each higher maint unit, would issue a replacement rifle from it's authorized stocks, till the highest maint unit, would have to requisition a rifle from ordnance depot stocks (where after all the cleaned and ready to be issued ones are exhausted, the cosmolined ones in crates would be broken out, and either cleaned for it's ready issue stocks, or shipped down to the next lower level )

Now for a *brand new* unit being activated, requisitons for EVERYTHING would be written based on it's TOE/TDA and sent up the chain of command. Based on what each level of ordnance supply had on hand, they'd issue to the supply officer, if they fill it, they'd re-requistion to the next higher, and so forth.

It can get weird, I was in Korea in 82, and my signal unit was the *parent* for a new satcom company being created in country, we were recieving the company property to hold till the officers and cadre arrived, and they could get a building to secure their stuff. We actually had our supply sgt, go the the APO and sign for boxes of m-16's, m203's, 1911a1's, that had been MAILED from Anniston Army Depot,AL to Korea. Registered Mail.


Getting back on track, if you're going for what the rifle would have had for a enlisted man, when he got his weapons card and went to the supply room, to inspect and clean it, you'd probably have to accept any cleaning kit, for the grease pot, leftovers from WW2 (they were still issued in the 80's when I retired), the old bore cleaner tins, as needed (if in garrison, the troops would clean using the large cans of solvent, and lubricate with larger cans of oil and grease). Slings? *probably* all had the heavy cotton weave sling, but a few old soldiers might convince the supply sgt to get some M1905 leather slings (which would disappear for IG inspections). Actual stuff stuck in the stock, would depend on what type of unit. A unit that never left garrison, would probably secure all the cleaning kits from the rifles, and use misc items from the junk bin, an infantry unit, the soldiers would have a complete kit, but pare it down for weight purposes. 1 or 2 complete cleaning kits broken up and split up in a squad , in the field, and one broken case extractor held by the squad sgt.

Basically ANYTHING made for the M-1 prior to 1955 would work, Springfield Arsenal would have stuck in the rifle, whatever they had on hand from subcontractors from WW2 on. Being a government *factory* and storeage/rebuild facility, they'd have all sorts of odd bits left over. If it meets specifications and is on hand, it gets put in the crate.

Hope this helps.

RHB

[DaveL]

Wow! Thanks Richard for taking the time to write that extensive explanation. Now I understand why I had a hard time figuring out what fits. Different kits for different applications at different time frames and MOS's.
Thanks again Richard!
DaveL

[psteinmayer]

Pardon my ignorance... but with the cleaning rod kit, whether it came in the paper packaging or cardboard tube with the metal end caps... once you open the package, the kit inside is the same. It's just the shipping packaging that's different. So if you plan on stuffing it in the butt trap, what difference does it make?

[oldsoldier54]

FM23-5, September 1958, page 373 has the picture of the components installed. An earlier FM23-5, dated before your 1955 date should be located, compare and contrast the 2. Mine came from the DCM with nickel oiler, brush and pull thru in the butt as well as a new M10 kit in the tube in a foiled paper pouch back in 1983 when I got my Winmixmaster that was overhauled at RRAD in 66, reparked, put in new birch and prepared as "War Reserve Stock". Later in life at the CMSD in Port Clinton under the DCM, when we started the parts sales program we would see all manner of things in the butt stocks we sold for M1's and M14s. Hopefully you'll buy a coated Dewey rod, a muzzle protector, a chamber block and clean her by pulling a brass cored brush/patch from the chamber versus pushing. If not use a pull through, pulling from chamber to muzzle. Protect that crown.