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Just got in 500 Starline .308 match " Palma" cases. They utilize small rifle primers for extended brass life and optimum accuracy. These will primarily be used for my precision bolt rifles.
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The size of the primer has nothing to do with case life or accuracy. Nor is there a "Palma" case. Palma ammo is a 155 grain bullet. The rest is just .308.
Good looking Starline brass! Doubtless it will provide the basis for numerous good handloads! Have loaded a fair bit of .308 Winchester ammo for both bolt and semi-auto rifles. Semi-auto is just to rough on brass to use anything but USGI. But, in my bolt guns I've always liked to use really nice stuff. What rifle do you normally use for such shooting? Sincerely. bruce.
The size of the primer has nothing to do with case life or accuracy. Nor is there a "Palma" case. Palma ammo is a 155 grain bullet. The rest is just .308.
Wake up and smell the roses. Don't be quite so quick to try and disqualify another's thread. Small rifle primed brass lasts much longer before the pockets expand and become unusable. Accuracy is enhanced because SD is much easier to get into the single digits.
A little research will bring you into the 20th century my friend. .308 match/ Palma brass , as marketed by Starline, is small rifle primed so there is indeed such a thing. That is exactly why Palma was in quotes in the OP. Just trying to share a little information that was new to me also. The accuracy part of small rifle primer usage in .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor has been common knowledge for years.
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Good looking Starline brass! Doubtless it will provide the basis for numerous good handloads! Have loaded a fair bit of .308 Winchester ammo for both bolt and semi-auto rifles. Semi-auto is just to rough on brass to use anything but USGI. But, in my bolt guns I've always liked to use really nice stuff. What rifle do you normally use for such shooting? Sincerely. bruce.
Howdy Bruce.
For my gas guns I use mostly European Berdan primed brass in my loading from DAG and MEN. They have provided better accuracy in my M25s than any of the usual boxer stuff.
My precision shooting is done with FN SPR, Rem 700P, Savage 110 and Winchester 70s in .308. Then I have been using a Savage BA 10 Stealth in 6.5 Creedmoor which is a sub 1/2 moa rifle recently.
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Re: Rifles. Cool! Once upon a time I did bow down at the high altar of accuracy ... at least what passed in my area for accuracy. My be all to end all was a Rem. 700 VS-SF in .308 Winchester. Got that rifle to where it would average just a smidgen over .6 MOA for ten shot groups. Granted that won't win any trophies, but I was shooting off homemade sandbags off the roof of my car. Milk jugs on a berm a little over 400 yds. away were not at all hard to run. Harris Bi-pod made it a wonderful rig for deer hunting, etc. Nowadays ... have a lot of fun w/ a 03-A4 replica that has a real knack for making nice slightly less than MOA groups. Have been reading about the 6.5 in it's various permutations. Have been giving a lot of thought to doing one up for deer hunting. Would be nice. On well, maybe. You ... you have lots of fun with those rifles of yours! Sincerely. bruce.
I love shooting AR-500 prairie dogs at 150 yds with my 03-A4 repro. Makes me feel like a real rifleman.
Most of my shooting is done prone with bipod or if I am too lazy to get down on the ground I have a wobbly 3 legged plywood shooting table.
It's all fun.
This is my normal shooting position.
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This is my fancy table.
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[QUOTE=nf1e;526485]...I have a wobbly 3 legged plywood shooting table.
It's all fun.
Mine's a Workmate and a folding Russian wooden chair! It IS all fun!
[QUOTE=nf1e;526485]...I have a wobbly 3 legged plywood shooting table.
It's all fun.
Mine's a Workmate and a folding Russian wooden chair! It IS all fun!
Thanks, I was hoping I wasn't alone.
I have envied the guys that get to shoot off concrete benches forever.
Wife gave me permission 30 years ago to build one but there always seems to be something just a little more important that pouring a shooting bench. Gives me a handicap.
I wonder if the primer pockets last longer because there is more material on a small primer 308 versus large primer. It would also depend on brass quality to I suppose. I get more case life out of Norma and Lapua than Hornady and Winchester in bolt guns. My gas gun I regularly shoot are FALs and they are hard on everything.
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Here’s my PRS bolt gun in 260. My brass life statement comes mainly from it. I mostly use Winchester and Lapua brass. I can get good handloads out of both. I have to cull more Winny brass and I loose the primer pockets sooner. The small primer starline might be interesting to experiment with converting to 260.
Re: Brass life. Have found Winchester to have the most volume. Remington has been extremely good. Sorted and segregated by weight, properly prepared, it gave me some of the very best results ever. Had some Gold Medal Match Federal .308 cases that were simply not so hot. I was not running hot loads ... in fact the loads were relatively mild. Nevertheless, the primer pockets expanded so that primers would not stay in after the second load. Same exact load in the Remington brass would work fine... brass would last from 17 - 20 batches before I got more brass.
Have found the Greek HXP to be excellent brass for the M-1 Garand, as good as LC. Have some perfectly wonderful LC NM brass that I use in the 03 rifle I use for vintage military rifle matches at our local club. That stuff is is some of the best brass I've ever used. Still have about half of a .50 cal. can full of once-fired cases. Maybe it'll last me a few more years!
If I ever do get around to doing a 6.5, I'll have to give a good hard look at the Starline and Lapua brass. After all, if your going to put up a real good rifle that will drive tacks, you need to do everything you can to get all the advantages going your way! JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
For my .308s I have been using Lapua LR because they were readily available. With the Starline SP brass I think it is worth a try.
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Let us know how the starline works out.
I would assume that a small rifle magnum primer is required with the Starline brass?
I would assume that a small rifle magnum primer is required with the Starline brass?
Plain old 205Ms have been working fine in Lapua brass. I don't think there will be too much difference in the Starline but I am prepared if there is.
Plenty of CCI 450s and 41s on hand.
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