Correct Installation & Use of 1907 Sling?

[SoCal M1 Shooter]

I'm taking my oldest son to a JCG Match tomorrow and I've not shot in one for about 25 years. I took all my expensive Turner slings off the rifles so they wouldn't get dried out in the safe from the Goldenrod dehumidifier. Now I'm trying to reinstall them but I see two different ways: the way the CMP shows (http://thecmp.us/Sales/1907slinginstall.htm), with the dogs on the outside of the sling, but I also see a lot of others who put the dogs on the inside of the sling, like this guy (https://youtu.be/HoLwW9j3M-U) and this other guy (https://youtu.be/mZTLY3062Qo), and this other guy too (https://youtu.be/OHaRakDywas)...

Clearly it can be done both ways, but it seems to me the Army/CMP way might be better if you were actually carrying the rifle around with the sling over your shoulder (it puts a bunch of leather between your shoulder and the frogs), but if you're just using the sling to steady your rifle in a match, it might be better to follow the videos on YouTube and put the frogs on the inside.

What say you?

Any tips for finding the right set of holes for seated and prone position sling use? Thanks in advance.

[gwp]

You might try the No-Pulse setup.

https://www.servicerifleslings.com/no-pulse-slings.html

[Johnny P]

https://www.fulton-armory.com/faqs/AR-FAQs/sling.htm

[SoCal M1 Shooter]

I think I answered my own question after reading here and there. Supposedly the frogs on the outside, away from the stock, is the Army way (http://artoftherifle.com/the-1907-sling-part-1/2012/01/the-1907-sling-part-1.html). Frogs on the inside is supposedly favored by the USMC (http://artoftherifle.com/the-1907-sling-part-2/2012/01/the-1907-sling-part-2.html).

[LavaTech]

.... Rigging the Service Rifle Sling - By Ray Brandes - Distinguished, Presidents 100, High Master (https://www.ray-vin.com/tech/slinghelp.htm)

[Roadkingtrax]

I think I answered my own question after reading here and there. Supposedly the frogs on the outside, away from the stock, is the Army way (http://artoftherifle.com/the-1907-sling-part-1/2012/01/the-1907-sling-part-1.html). Frogs on the inside is supposedly favored by the USMC (http://artoftherifle.com/the-1907-sling-part-2/2012/01/the-1907-sling-part-2.html).

If it's for looks, frogs out.

If it's for functional use, frogs in. With the half twist the sling is getting tighter, or stable that way.

[lyman]

https://www.amazon.com/Leather-Sling-Shooting-Positions/dp/1939812720


or visit

https://www.jarheadtop.com/

his books on aligning the sights and wind are excellent reads as well

[SoCal M1 Shooter]

Pursuant to this, I shot two matches this morning and tried various sling adjustments. One of the biggest problem I experienced was inability to get a cheek weld in seated or prone. Any suggestions?

[Roadkingtrax]

Sling will be longer in prone, than in sitting. Depending on your ergonomics. For me, it's two sets of holes shorter.

What cheekweld problems are you experiencing?

[SoCal M1 Shooter]

I tried the sling in both positions at home and thought it would be OK on the range, and ultimately I did go two or three sets of holes longer for prone than for seated. But I felt like my face was too close to the rear of the receiver, so that I had to lift my cheek off the stock to see through the rear sight.

I should add, when I was prone, viewed from above, the angle between my spine and the axis of the bore was less than 180°. Is there any rule of thumb regarding this angle, or do people go with what seems good to them? An angle of 160° to 170° feels about right to me.

[lyman]

that rule of thumb is just that

variations based on body type are OK , as well as what makes you shoot consistently,

when I started years ago in Service Rifle, I had a guy show me some pointers in shooting sitting, (back when you had to drop into the position, )

he showed me, then said, don't try to look just like me in position, but this is the basics,

he is 6" taller, and skinny as a rail, so his lanky position was slightly different, but the basics on how to get into position were the same

[Ted Brown]

Shooters on the National Guard Team use the sling with the frogs toward the stock. It's easier to keep the sling tight that way and easier to take it off when firing is completed.

[boykin]

Marine Corps set up is best for shooting, IMHO

[SoCal M1 Shooter]

I know I am resurrecting this thread, but I used my Garand and my 1903A3 in a recent match and thanks more or less to the videos below, I think I am finally comfortable with my M1907 sling. For future searchers:


https://youtu.be/HoLwW9j3M-U


https://youtu.be/mZTLY3062Qo

Both served in the Marine Corps when they were younger. Respect...

[lyman]

best resource on the sling, and shooing, it Jim Owens book

I think his website is Jarheadtop.com

[togor]

+1 on Jim Owens for the sling.

I take some issue with his logic on "the big lie" but his results speak for themselves.

[lyman]

been a while since I read it,

however I do recall reading that bit, a week or so later after a practice, read it again, then one more time before a match,
(the books are a quick easy read)

took a bit to get it to sink in, but it made sense,


however, each accomplished shooter that publishes has their own take on what to do etc etc

[jjrothWA]

Just acquired a MRT 5-95 sling at club's swap meet, took it home and stretched it by hang both lower and upper over-night with a 5lb., dumbbell. [not me i'm 226 heavier.
then applied Fleibing's "Snow Proof" leather protection to leather.
Then atached to CZ-24 7.9mm BRNO rifle. Looks very nice

Keeper are inside for best control.

[SoCal M1 Shooter]

best resource on the sling, and shooing, it Jim Owens book

I think his website is Jarheadtop.com


+1 on Jim Owens for the sling.

I take some issue with his logic on "the big lie" but his results speak for themselves.

I have two of his books, but to be direct, I had forgotten I had them. Going to another day of matches soon, will see what I can glean from his books.