Bump Stock Buy Back

[tmark]

Delaware now has a law making it illegal to own a bump stock. As a matter of fact, the Delaware State Police will pay $100 for a bump stack and $15 for a trigger thing (never heard of something for the trigger). Any other states doing this?

Just saw on military channel about the last day of WWI. The armistice was signed 5 am but did not go into effect until 11 am. The bad news is more Americans were killed on this last day (3200, I think) than were killed on June 6, 1944. So sad.

I can't understand why the allied officers still sent men into needless battles only to be killed or maimed.

[JB White]

Delaware now has a law making it illegal to own a bump stock. As a matter of fact, the Delaware State Police will pay $100 for a bump stack and $15 for a trigger thing (never heard of something for the trigger). Any other states doing this?

Just saw on military channel about the last day of WWI. The armistice was signed 5 am but did not go into effect until 11 am. The bad news is more Americans were killed on this last day (3200, I think) than were killed on June 6, 1944. So sad.

I can't understand why the allied officers still sent men into needless battles only to be killed or maimed.

I haven't heard of any so-called buyback programs in my area yet. Not to say it won't happen now that someone has initiated things.

WW1. Per terms of the Armistice, on 11/11 @11:00, all forces were to cease and desist wherever they were on whatever ground they were holding at that time. Hence to big push to conquer as much territory as possible. It is also known that towns were major objectives if for no other reason than beds, shelter, and showers.

[Allen]

$15 for a trigger thing (never heard of something for the trigger).

Maybe a trigger "crank"? These were commonly sold for the Ruger 10/22's back in 70's-80's. Fit other models too.

http://twozprecision.com/product/gatcrank-15/

[togor]

I thought the USDOJ was working on a ban, on the logic that they're actually a MG part after all. Did that quietly go away?

[JB White]

I know the gung-ho crew will crucify me again for saying this. I have never seen any need for any device which hinders my total control over a firearm. Holding with one hand and cranking with the other, or letting it flop around loose in my hands isn't going to be done by me.

The only application of a crank trigger I can see is that on the "Gatling Gun" type conversions where the firearms are mounted to various platforms. Very few people have them but those should be exempted or at least grandfathered in.
I say that in spite of having no practical use for one myself, but they are a bona fide plinkers dream. A novelty item for the most part IMHO. A lot of fun right up there with the semi-auto M1919's etc. They aren't readily transported but are at least controllable in the sense of aimed fire. They'll probably make for good property protection under dire circumstances. Survivalists who plan to stay put could surely use them.
From what I have witnessed on a couple of rare occasions, simply adding a crank device and letting go means rounds are going anywhere from between the dirt to over the berm. The laughter of the shooters doesn't counter the hazards.

[Major Tom]

Most bump fire gizmos I've seen advertised cost a lot more that a hundred bucks. So, probably very few will turned in unless completely broken.

[p246]

Possibly binary trigger? In Kansas any form of gun buyback by the police is illegal....like living in a different country here.

[Allen]

With any type rapid fire device you are merely spraying . Although this worked out for the Las Vegas shooter who was blasting into a solid block of meat it wouldn't be very effective elsewhere and a person who wanted or needed to make every shot count would be better off just shooting semi.

As far as the novelty of it all I've heard of people taking the handle off of the trigger crank and attaching a cordless drill. The fun ends quickly though and Ruger 10/22's are no fun to re-load.

[jon_norstog]

[QUOTE=tmark;543272.......
Just saw on military channel about the last day of WWI. The armistice was signed 5 am but did not go into effect until 11 am. The bad news is more Americans were killed on this last day (3200, I think) than were killed on June 6, 1944. So sad.

I can't understand why the allied officers still sent men into needless battles only to be killed or maimed.[/QUOTE]


I saw those articles, too. It was nuts! The war was over and they were just killing men for nothing.

jn

[dryheat]

Chess pieces. Generals. War. Blind obediance. Ignorance.
A long time ago here in AZ there was a gunfight in the Galiuros mtns. The old man wasn't going to send his boys to some stupid war.
They holed up in the cabin and held out. As usual, it didn't turn out well.

Dang, I hate to sound liberal, but how did the ATF not clamp down on bump stocks? It's all great fun until someone gets hurt.
You think Trump is bad? If I was president... Super Mario. That's all you get.

[jgaynor]

Bump Stocks Et al. = toys for jerkoffs.

[Sunray]

"...commonly sold for the Ruger 10/22's..." Sold for any semi-auto .22 or AR style rifles. I believe the ATF decided they were too evil years ago. There were several made. One of 'em was the BMF Activator.
Amazing how assorted PD's will cry about funding then set up a system to "buy back" something they never owned.

Private George Lawrence Price, "A" Company of the 28th Battalion (Northwest), CEF(Canadian Expeditionary Force), AKA Saskatchewan Regiment, was the last troopie killed in W.W. I. Shot by a German sniper at 10:57 AM, died at 10:58 AM, 11 Nov. 1918 at Ville-sur-Haine, Belgium.

Private Henry Nicholas John Gunther, 313th Infantry Regiment, 79th Div., AEF, died one minute later in the village of Chaumont-devant-Damvillers, Lorraine. Charged a German MG position against orders.

[USMilitaryGuy]

Bump Stocks Et al. = toys for jerkoffs.

. . . and this is why we will never win.

United we stand. Divided we fall.

For what it is worth, although I have sixteen shotguns in my collection, I am not the least bit interested in shooting them . . . or even hunting for that matter.

However, I do realize that when "they" decide you don't need to hunt since you can just buy your meat at the store and therefore you don't need shotguns. They will become illegal to own.

Of course, by then my US military sniper rifles (and other scoped rifles) will already be illegal since "who needs a weapon of war?". The shotgun shooters didn't care.

Really? Who can't see how this is going to end?

[dryheat]

Bump stocks are "machine guns" and we aren't allowed to and shouldn't have them.

[togor]

. . . and this is why we will never win.

United we stand. Divided we fall.

For what it is worth, although I have sixteen shotguns in my collection, I am not the least bit interested in shooting them . . . or even hunting for that matter.

However, I do realize that when "they" decide you don't need to hunt since you can just buy your meat at the store and therefore you don't need shotguns. They will become illegal to own.

Of course, by then my US military sniper rifles (and other scoped rifles) will already be illegal since "who needs a weapon of war?". The shotgun shooters didn't care.

Really? Who can't see how this is going to end?

Domino theory. But not every domino chain is guaranteed to run end to end just because a first one falls over. And real life is more complicated than dominos.

The more stuff they try to take away, the wider the pool of negatively impacted people and hence the greater base for opposition.

That said my preference is not see equipment put on banned lists. If it becomes necessary to do something then focus on the people, the anti-social types who go off. Law abiding gun owners should continue to have a reasonable path to ownership for items of their own choosing.

[JB White]

Bump stocks are "machine guns" and we aren't allowed to and shouldn't have them.

That didn't come out right. We are allowed to own machine guns in some states. We should have them as they were designed to be controlled by their users and they do have a specific purpose as far as militia and national defense is concerned.



. . . and this is why we will never win.

United we stand. Divided we fall.

For what it is worth, although I have sixteen shotguns in my collection, I am not the least bit interested in shooting them . . . or even hunting for that matter.

However, I do realize that when "they" decide you don't need to hunt since you can just buy your meat at the store and therefore you don't need shotguns. They will become illegal to own.

Of course, by then my US military sniper rifles (and other scoped rifles) will already be illegal since "who needs a weapon of war?". The shotgun shooters didn't care.

Really? Who can't see how this is going to end?

So far the majority of gun owners see no use for bump stocks aside from making a case to ban our other things. Pretty much united in that sense. Care to change our minds? Then please, let's hear what advantage they hold for our side. Save the preaching. Most of us have heard it for over 50 years and we know it already.
Tell us how many bump stocks you own. How it improves the actual effectiveness of a firearm. I'm sure we would all like to know what we might be missing here and none of us would want to sacrifice anything we may need later.

[Allen]

. . . and this is why we will never win.

United we stand. Divided we fall.

For what it is worth, although I have sixteen shotguns in my collection, I am not the least bit interested in shooting them . . . or even hunting for that matter.

However, I do realize that when "they" decide you don't need to hunt since you can just buy your meat at the store and therefore you don't need shotguns. They will become illegal to own.

Of course, by then my US military sniper rifles (and other scoped rifles) will already be illegal since "who needs a weapon of war?". The shotgun shooters didn't care.

Really? Who can't see how this is going to end?

What upsets the democrats so much is the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment. It protects US against THEM. It's not about hunting as they try to brainwash us into believing.

The Republicans have no problem with the 2nd---it depends upon which side of the law and people you are on.

[JOHN COOK]

Tell us how many bump stocks you own. How it improves the actual effectiveness of a firearm. I'm sure we would all like to know what we might be missing here and none of us would want to sacrifice anything we may need later.

JB,
Amen :1948:

[USMilitaryGuy]

. . . snip

Tell us how many bump stocks you own. How it improves the actual effectiveness of a firearm. I'm sure we would all like to know what we might be missing here and none of us would want to sacrifice anything we may need later.

I own zero bump stocks.

I own zero $1,000 shotguns.

I own zero pre-1840 weapons.

I own zero automobiles with an acceleration speed of 0 - 60 mph in under 8 seconds.

I own zero head of cattle.

I own less than 10 acres of land.

I own zero airplanes.

I own zero four-wheel drive pickups.

I own zero tractors.

What I do or do not own should not be a concern of someone that does own one.

I own six routers. They enable me to improve my ability to make accurate joints in my woodworking. How many do you own?

I own two snowblowers. They allow me to clear my sidewalks faster than the neighbor with his shovel. How many do you own?

I own one cannon. It allows me to educate people about Civil War weapons, modern machinery techniques, and CAD operations. How many do you own?

I own thirteen US military handguns. They allow me to educate people on the evolution of equipment - specifically weapons - used by the US military. How many do you own?

I own seven computers and one tablet. They allow me to be more productive in my work and educational efforts. How many do you own?

It is reasonable that you would not own things that I do - especially if you do not do the things I do.

It we are actually going to discuss the ownership of things that make firearms "effective", let's talk about - laser engraved stocks, engraved revolvers, gold inlaid receivers, or rifles that cost more than $400.

It will be difficult for me to explain what you might be missing, if you are not receptive to discovering this on your own. Children are taught in school. As you get older in age, you are expected to teach yourself - or at least seek further education on your own. If you would like me to teach you on methods to increase the accuracy of your woodworking joinery, understand how you can build an accurate one-half scale cannon from photos in a book with a well equipped metal shop and woodworking shop, or be knowledgeable on the evolution of military weapons; I can help with that - but you have to be receptive to learning. No, I seriously do not believe your last sentence is a request to learn.

Truthfully, you will most likely not be sacrificing anything that you don't already have. Which kind of is my point in the first place.

"I don't have one. It won't cost me anything to lose one. I have no idea why you would want to have one, so I don't care if you lose yours."

I only hope that when you do decide you need something "later", it will be available. Unfortunately, it too might have been determined to be "unnecessary" - most likely by someone that didn't see a need for it earlier.

[togor]

Yeah but why draw the line at bump stocks versus say Bazookas, 81mm Mortars, or Flamethrowers? Or pipe bombs? There is a definite element of terrain to this subject, and some things like bump stocks may not in fact be on the slippery slope.

[blackhawknj]

When was the last time there was a buy-back of controlled substances or counterfeit money ? And they can't "buy-back" what they never owned in the first place.
Don't own a bump stock myself, but opposing ownership of them-something of a Fudd attitude. Fudds being our internal enemies. Collaborators so to speak.

[JB White]

I own zero bump stocks.

I own zero $1,000 shotguns.

I own zero pre-1840 weapons.

I own zero automobiles with an acceleration speed of 0 - 60 mph in under 8 seconds.

I own zero head of cattle.

I own less than 10 acres of land.

I own zero airplanes.

I own zero four-wheel drive pickups.

I own zero tractors.

What I do or do not own should not be a concern of someone that does own one.

I own six routers. They enable me to improve my ability to make accurate joints in my woodworking. How many do you own?

I own two snowblowers. They allow me to clear my sidewalks faster than the neighbor with his shovel. How many do you own?

I own one cannon. It allows me to educate people about Civil War weapons, modern machinery techniques, and CAD operations. How many do you own?

I own thirteen US military handguns. They allow me to educate people on the evolution of equipment - specifically weapons - used by the US military. How many do you own?

I own seven computers and one tablet. They allow me to be more productive in my work and educational efforts. How many do you own?

It is reasonable that you would not own things that I do - especially if you do not do the things I do.

It we are actually going to discuss the ownership of things that make firearms "effective", let's talk about - laser engraved stocks, engraved revolvers, gold inlaid receivers, or rifles that cost more than $400.

It will be difficult for me to explain what you might be missing, if you are not receptive to discovering this on your own. Children are taught in school. As you get older in age, you are expected to teach yourself - or at least seek further education on your own. If you would like me to teach you on methods to increase the accuracy of your woodworking joinery, understand how you can build an accurate one-half scale cannon from photos in a book with a well equipped metal shop and woodworking shop, or be knowledgeable on the evolution of military weapons; I can help with that - but you have to be receptive to learning. No, I seriously do not believe your last sentence is a request to learn.

Truthfully, you will most likely not be sacrificing anything that you don't already have. Which kind of is my point in the first place.

"I don't have one. It won't cost me anything to lose one. I have no idea why you would want to have one, so I don't care if you lose yours."

I only hope that when you do decide you need something "later", it will be available. Unfortunately, it too might have been determined to be "unnecessary" - most likely by someone that didn't see a need for it earlier.

So long as you wish to start a scoreboard, I'll go along.

3 routers and one dedicated to a router table. Personally owned. Not business property. I also have half a dozen skilsaws and as many sanders and....it's a very long list and most are set up for dedicated purposes.
2 snowblowers. One for the walks and one to clear the alley from the garage, down the block and into the street. I work along with my neighbors and our paths are cleared, cars shoveled out before the first city plow can make it into the neighborhood.
I do not own a cannon but a friend owns a repro Wiard Rifle. Close enough?
Only two military handguns, Down from my younger days when I owned many more handguns than I still do long guns. (3 safes full and one dates from the Crimean War) Younger people are now enjoying and studying my old collectables. Close enough?
7 computers? My my how impressive. I have no need for that many. Desktop, laptop, and a tablet and I consider myself over techno'd. You need yours for work. I'm retired.

Ornamentation and fancy woods are a very harmless preference. Why did you even go there???

I am very receptive contrary to your accusation. Many here are. You are having a difficult time explaining because you have nothing. You took the easy bailout. Sidesteps and bailout. What you also lack at the moment is foresight and skill in negotiations because this is where bump stocks are taking us. The stocks are their meal ticket right now.
They are pretty much useless except for wasting ammo and giggles. So, when they introduce legislation to ban superficial items it's going to be a very long list to fight. Their target is Bump stocks and Las Vegas. Take the bump stocks out of the equation and they'll be stymied for at least a good while. They are JUST A TOY.

All in all it's been a couple of long winded replies and probably a waste of time to most of this forums readers. You still haven't justified keeping bump stocks. Lots of words and fluff don't make concise answers. (They taught me that in school)

[dryheat]

When was the last time there was a buy-back of controlled substances or counterfeit money ? And they can't "buy-back" what they never owned in the first place.
Don't own a bump stock myself, but opposing ownership of them-something of a Fudd attitude. Fudds being our internal enemies. Collaborators so to speak.

Buybacks are lame. And I shot my mouth off way too fast about machine guns. A responsible person can jump through the hoops and in a year or so buy a full blown machine gun.I've fired a few machine guns that were legally purchased. Way bigger than a stupid bump stock which is something Yahoos get. The BATF scrutinizes some things and then let's something as stupid as bump stocks get under the wire. I remember that goofy crank thing for triggers from years ago. I paid so little attention to it I don't know if it's still around. Yes, clamp down on nut jobs. She was a little right, Vet's(happy veterans day) can be a little out there. Some of them were from the get go.
Stupid ventures into Ooga Booga land aren't what we should be doing. Catalyst anyone?

[jgaynor]

Bump Stocks are the antithesis of precise, controlled marksmanship. They are toys for jerk offs who just want to make noise.

[dryheat]

And jerk offs can make a lot of noise with regular guns. A lot of people are irresponsible with their guns. They are the one's that drag cathode t.v.s out in the countryside and shoot them along with water heaters. It's childish. Hopefully they grow out of it. But it's pretty harmless(but is pisses me off). Everyone is kind of a dumb ass when they are young, unless they've had some good guidance from real actual mom's and dads. I remember a story about a rancher up north who bought a old ranch. He said, when he was a kid him and another kid shot the heck out of the corrugated metal roof. Then he bought the ranch and had to repair the damage. Maybe there's a lesson there.