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https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-shot-by-texas-cop-was-fire-captains-daughter.amp
Is it just me or does it seem like the training these days is "shoot first and figure it out later"? Haven't they heard of pepper spray to take a dog out of the game? That cop violated one of the basic rules we teach kids in hunter safety class: be sure of your target and what is beyond it. And if he was a city kid maybe he never took hunter's safety. Anyways, welcome to the force, kid. You got your first notch in your pistol grip.
"...he was a city kid..." Wouldn't matter. New cops these days are hired more for their degree than their suitability for the job. Very, very few have ever seen a real firearm before getting hired. And then the firearm training is inadequate. I think it's something like 12 hours out of a 3 month course(for which they pay nearly 12 grand), up here.
"...a local fire captain's daughter..." Kind of curious why the media hack thought that was important.
S.A. Boggs
08-03-2019, 10:04
Many years ago @ another department a "newbie" was coming out of his cruiser and put a nice hole in the windshield! Acquired the name of "Barney Fife" from that time on. Had another shoot an instructor in the butt when the "new" Glock came on the market.
Sam
Had another shoot an instructor in the butt when the "new" Glock came on the market.
A lot of cops have been shot by their own Glocks due to the absence of a safety. So many NYC cops shot themselves in the butt while pulling their gun from the holster that Glock developed the "New York Trigger" to prevent or lessen the chance.
https://www.glockforum.com/articles/a-year-in-the-life-of-the-nypd-glocks.32/
blackhawknj
08-03-2019, 12:51
When firearms such as the Glock and the H&K P-7 are adopted for police use on the grounds that they are "safe" to handle.....and when police are expected to engage more in community relations than law enforcement....
Maybe the USPS needs to open up a set of training acadamies for Law Enforcement. Somehow their people know how to get from A to B to C on foot through the community without shooting anything that moves. Yes we need LEOs and yes they're the ones that run towards the sound of gunfire when the rest of us can go the other way. But for this rookie to draw and discharge like that--you won't get me to believe that something isn't seriously wrong with the way he was trained. Is it a local or national problem? I don't know but lean my guess towards the latter.
A lot of cops have been shot by their own Glocks due to the absence of a safety. So many NYC cops shot themselves in the butt while pulling their gun from the holster that Glock developed the "New York Trigger" to prevent or lessen the chance.
https://www.glockforum.com/articles/a-year-in-the-life-of-the-nypd-glocks.32/
The NY1 was developed to mimick their Revolver triggers. The NY2 was asked for by the brass. Ever shoot one, makes missing much easier. What happens when college boys who are inside cats refuse to listen to their veteran outside cats.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-shot-by-texas-cop-was-fire-captains-daughter.amp
Is it just me or does it seem like the training these days is "shoot first and figure it out later"? Haven't they heard of pepper spray to take a dog out of the game? That cop violated one of the basic rules we teach kids in hunter safety class: be sure of your target and what is beyond it. And if he was a city kid maybe he never took hunter's safety. Anyways, welcome to the force, kid. You got your first notch in your pistol grip.
The question will be how many zeros do we put on this check behind the first number.
Faulkner
08-04-2019, 05:59
Maybe the USPS needs to open up a set of training acadamies for Law Enforcement. Somehow their people know how to get from A to B to C on foot through the community without shooting anything that moves. Yes we need LEOs and yes they're the ones that run towards the sound of gunfire when the rest of us can go the other way. But for this rookie to draw and discharge like that--you won't get me to believe that something isn't seriously wrong with the way he was trained. Is it a local or national problem? I don't know but lean my guess towards the latter.
That's a pretty funny joke . . . the USPS would be the wrong people to use for any kind of training. They don't allow postal carriers to have firearms for a reason.
The NY1 was developed to mimick their Revolver triggers.
Yes it was as the article states but this was after several shot themselves or shot a hole in the seat of the car while pulling the Glock out of their holster especially in a panic. This wasn't really a fix for a weapon that has no safety but the stiff trigger apparently helped and Glock could say "it did something". Glock was about to lose a major contract with NY. The main fix was spreading the word "be careful pulling your gun out of the holster".
If the stiff trigger job was only for the transition of a DA revolver trigger pull vs an autoloader trigger a year or two would have been plenty long enough. I imagine many newer NYC cops today have never fired a revolver but yet the NY1 remains.
Yes it was as the article states but this was after several shot themselves or shot a hole in the seat of the car while pulling the Glock out of their holster especially in a panic. This wasn't really a fix for a weapon that has no safety but the stiff trigger apparently helped and Glock could say "it did something". Glock was about to lose a major contract with NY. The main fix was spreading the word "be careful pulling your gun out of the holster".
If the stiff trigger job was only for the transition of a DA revolver trigger pull vs an autoloader trigger a year or two would have been plenty long enough. I imagine many newer NYC cops today have never fired a revolver but yet the NY1 remains.
If the NY1 or NY2 remains its because their admin has it bid that way. If its such a good trigger that prevents one from shooting their selves why does virtually no one else use it. Part of the NY1 initially was because of training issues going from long stroke double action revolver triggers to semi auto's with no external safety. The AD's were occurring with the NY1 from the git go. The training issue had to be sorted out. The NY2 was totally admin based. For clarity my NYPD contact retired, so I have no idea if they are still using either at this point, however, the Gen 5 will take a NY1 or NY2 so I assume they are. However, training what, thousands of people to move from revolvers to semi auto's of any make or model is a huge undertaking. Hell training one to decock the old sigs and Beretta's was a chore in itself.
If the NY1 or NY2 remains its because their admin has it bid that way. If its such a good trigger that prevents one from shooting their selves why does virtually no one else use it. Part of the NY1 initially was because of training issues going from long stroke double action revolver triggers to semi auto's with no external safety. The AD's were occurring with the NY1 from the git go. The training issue had to be sorted out. The NY2 was totally admin based. For clarity my NYPD contact retired, so I have no idea if they are still using either at this point, however, the Gen 5 will take a NY1 or NY2 so I assume they are. However, training what, thousands of people to move from revolvers to semi auto's of any make or model is a huge undertaking. Hell training one to decock the old sigs and Beretta's was a chore in itself.
I didn't say the NY1 was a good trigger and neither did the article I enclosed. In fact I said "it wasn't a fix for the problem". As the article states "the stiff trigger pull affects accuracy". I don't know if other agencies use the trigger of not. Probably not. My brother was a cop at the time (not NYC) and the dept received a bulletin on this issue as it occurred to warn others. The number of accidents stated was pretty high. He retired before most agencies went to the "one caliber for all" ruling came out. This didn't make national news as most cops and departments don't like to spread the word that the cops are accidently discharging their pistol.
Mark in Ottawa
08-05-2019, 06:29
When I worked for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, one of my sergeants told me that he was mentoring a recruit just out of the Training Academy and the guy managed to let loose a shot from his revolver inside the police vehicle. He was never sure how he managed that feat but he said that fortunately the bullet hit something inside the door structure and never penetrated the outside skin of the vehicle. He said that they spent the rest of their shift taking the door apart, recovering the bullet and making sure that the window and locks worked properly. In spite of all the rules about reporting the use of a firearm, they never told anybody about the incident and nobody took any notice of the hole on the inside of the vehicle.
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