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barretcreek
12-22-2019, 09:05
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3802835/posts

Not sure if it was the cover or just inside. Probably get her DSQ now.

Art
12-22-2019, 09:48
Maria Beale Fletcher was Miss America in 1962. The only Miss America who represented North Carolina. A Former Rockette she later took a degree in French from Vanderbilt University.

I saw a comment that she couldn't have been military trained with that "chicken wing" sticking out. Actually they taught that stance at least through the time I was in the Army 1966 to 69. I don't know why, maybe they figured it aligned the trigger finger better but who knows. Our daughter uses that stance because I taught her the way my USMC trained former SeaBee daddy and the U.S. Army taught me. Techniques do change. By the 1980s the training was to keep that elbow tucked down and in which makes a LOT more sense.

The comment that a N.C. girl named Fletcher "looked Jewish" cracked me up. Possible but extremely unlikely.

Roadkingtrax
12-22-2019, 09:55
Chicken wing still works. I cant my AR in offhand, and still let my elbow stick out. :)

lyman
12-22-2019, 10:45
not sure why, but the Chicken wing (and squeezing the stock with the same hand) works for me with my M14 and M1,

I drop my elbow with the AR


I know it is a staged photo, but it looks like the butt is on her arm,

https://scontent.fagc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/75593801_760709161061258_8293598732092440576_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQk56rqSXptnXzbxgxjrdipz77uc56dQsEqyy4uz55S J6ZN00wO2CP_kTnotsv8lHR0&_nc_ht=scontent.fagc1-1.fna&oh=08702e679c1ae8eb9346832166580a78&oe=5E559AD5

JimF
12-22-2019, 11:57
With the right elbow elevated, the “pocket” is created for the toe of the stock.
Lower the elbow . . .the pocket goes away.

Roadkingtrax
12-22-2019, 12:50
It's also common to use the space between the deltoid and the bicep muscle, rather then the pocket from the clavicle.

lyman
12-22-2019, 01:34
could also just be the angle of the photo,


I used to shoot with a Distinguished High Master, he would just barely have the toe of the stock of his AR in the crease of his shooting jacket, with his elbow dropped,

worked for him,

JimF
12-22-2019, 01:42
Actually gents, I’m sure we can ALL agree, that she can be on our rifle team . . . even now!

In fact, she can have my spot . . . .I’ll just sit and watch!

Former Cav
12-22-2019, 03:00
back when OUR GI's had the M1 and M14, you didn't have a pistol grip stock and you kept your elbow OUT to form the pocket in your shoulder. Otherwise, the 30-06 and 7.62 NATO would give you a nice bruise on the bi-cep.
Nice looking women by the way. I'll vote for Miss Texas (even though I was from MN).

m1ashooter
12-23-2019, 08:24
Chicken wing shooter here.

Sunray
12-23-2019, 11:11
"...the right elbow elevated..." Dates back to shooting styles using rifles with no pistol grip. Armies being Armies, the same techniques are taught for eons. "That's the way we've always done it and that's the way you're going to do it! Or you can spend some time peeling potatoes!"

holdover
12-28-2019, 06:48
I was taught over 60 years ago elbow up rifle, down shot gun. Works for me also, and my son and grand kids