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RED
01-02-2020, 03:14
Thanks to the poor maintenance and training bought about by the Bush/Obama regimes, marines died. USMC pilots require a minimum of 15+ hours of stick time per month to be marginally proficient and these guys were getting only 6 hours. 66% of the available F/A-18 Hornets belonging to the the squadron were down due to maintenance problems and the other 1/3 were marginally available because parts were cannibalized from the remainders, some of those aircraft hadn't been flown in many months. The survival equipment carried by the aviators were out of date and failed often. The Brass blames it all on the guys in the cockpit. When in fact it is the weak leadership and failures for years of the weak kneed CIC's.

https://www.propublica.org/video/adrift-how-the-marine-corps-failed-squadron-242

oscars
01-03-2020, 05:37
Here you go again - presuming a knowledge base that you don't have. The USMC flies the legacy Hornet which hasn't been in production since 2000. The Marines have been offered the Super Hornet as an interim solution but are afraid that budget zombies will suggest that version of the hornet instead of the F35 (a solution of the USMC's making).

Furthermore, the USMC is pulling legacy Hornets out of the boneyard at DM and taking surplus legacy Hornets from the Navy to improve their ready rate. The boneyard birds will be scavenged for parts or returned to service if frame hours are not excessive.

In conclusion, legacy Hornet problems in USMC are not solely the problem caused by Bush/Obama

RED
01-03-2020, 06:35
Here you go again - presuming a knowledge base that you don't have. The USMC flies the legacy Hornet which hasn't been in production since 2000. The Marines have been offered the Super Hornet as an interim solution but are afraid that budget zombies will suggest that version of the hornet instead of the F35 (a solution of the USMC's making).

Furthermore, the USMC is pulling legacy Hornets out of the boneyard at DM and taking surplus legacy Hornets from the Navy to improve their ready rate. The boneyard birds will be scavenged for parts or returned to service if frame hours are not excessive.

In conclusion, legacy Hornet problems in USMC are not solely the problem caused by Bush/Obama

There YOU go again blowing off about stuff you don't know anything about. The accident didn't happen because of any failure or shortcomings of the legacy Hornet. It happened because the USMC was breaking the established SOP's for training and maintenance. I saw the same thing happen in the 1969. We had 14 brand new F-4J's as did our sister squadron. At one point the two squadrons combined had three mission capable aircraft. During one 6 month deployment CAG-3 lost 7 aviators due to operational accidents. My roommate and his RIO were killed, 6 aircraft crashed, (1 F-4, 1 A-6, 1 EA-6, 2-A7's, 1 C-1) and this was on a 6 month deployment to the Mediterranean. The Saratoga sat idle, anchored, at Souda Bay Crete for nearly a month and the only aircraft flying was the C-1 COD.

There was a reason for that back then. All of the critical parts were going to WESTPAC.

Listen to the link and tell me where the problem was linked to the aircraft and not the command structure and tell me how the legacy Hornet was responsible for the locator beacons and emergency radios failure.

Sunray
01-03-2020, 10:22
The USMC doesn't get a say in how much money they get for any purpose. Neither does the USN or U.S. Army.
"...minimum of 15+ hours..." Costs a fortune. Don't think anybody gets even close to that in the CF. Fortunately, neither do Russian pilots.
CF's been driving the same 138 F/A-18's(CF-188) since 1982. The CF flew the 18 before the USMC or USN. They're planning on replacing 'em with a whole 88 new aircraft, but not until 2025 at the earliest.