Springfield M1922M1 Markings.

[Tom in N.J.]

I have a M1922M1 Army training rifle (not the DCM / NRA sales type). It does NOT have the caution as to "long rifle cartridge only" use on the left side of the barrel. The barrel is dated "S.A. 1-25". As all of the .22 cal. M1922, M1922M1 and original M2 barrels are the same, why no caution. Was this added after production started? Are M1922s so marked ?.

[fjruple]

They did not see it to be a problem until the troops started to use .22 Shorts in the rifles. Remember this at a time of corrosive priming and the .22 Shorts were damaging the .22 Long Rifle chambers which would stick the spent .22 Long Rifle case in the chamber. Later barrels carried this warning.

[Tom in N.J.]

fjruple..Thank you... Do you have any idea of about when the caution was added?

[fjruple]

I really do not know but i imagine some time during the production of the barrels as opposed to the guns them selves. I believe there maybe someone more knowledgeable on the time frame then I am regarding the Springfield M1922. I know that later .22LR training rifle manuals carried warnings about the use of .22 Shorts in .22LR chambers.

[Kragrifle]

Around 1927

[Tom in N.J.]

Kragrifle.... thanks!! Tom

[Groucho]

Sir,
As you have one of the M-22's could you give an estimate of value of one about 1000 older than yours in serial numbers and about 70% NRA condition? No magazine and stock has been modified into a montecarlo configuration. It IS the original stock, with M-22 marked on the but of pistol grip, and someone did a great job butchering the original into the new form.
Please advise.

[lyman]

Sir,
As you have one of the M-22's could you give an estimate of value of one about 1000 older than yours in serial numbers and about 70% NRA condition? No magazine and stock has been modified into a montecarlo configuration. It IS the original stock, with M-22 marked on the but of pistol grip, and someone did a great job butchering the original into the new form.
Please advise.



pics please,


for mag prices, surf completed auctions (sold only) on Ebay or gunbroker,
they are a bit expensive,

figure about 1\2 what a rifle in original condition will go for w/ magazine. or less

[Groucho]

Please advise what that number would be. One half of original price. These being somewhat out of the ordinary, finding a value is difficult.

[lyman]

Gunbroker, completed auctions, and look at those only with bids,

mags, one sold recently for $246

there are many listings for 1922's and the prices are all over the place (based on condition etc)

[Groucho]

Gunbroker, completed auctions, and look at those only with bids,

mags, one sold recently for $246

there are many listings for 1922's and the prices are all over the place (based on condition etc)

Thank You for your time and consideration. Visited GB without success. Will research further and more in
depth.
Respectfully,

[lyman]

Thank You for your time and consideration. Visited GB without success. Will research further and more in
depth.
Respectfully,

log in, click advanced search
click completed items

play with your search terms,

Springfield M2
springfield m1922
springfield 22

you should get all those that were completed in the past 90 days ,

if it has 0 bids, then it did not sell at that price,

[Herschel]

I collect the 1922 Series Springfields. Nearly all the issue type have been through one or more rebuilds. I would say
less than 5% of these escaped rebuild. Many, probably most, of those listed on the internet auctions are incorrectly
described as to originality of parts and finish. An issue type, parkerized finish, that shows evidence of wear but
not rusty or too dinged up will sell in the $1,000.00 to $1,250.00 price range. The DCM Sales Variation, (Rust blued finish
and heavier stock without grasping grooves) Sell in the $1,500.00 to $3,000.00 range. I bought a nice Sales Variation 1922M1
earlier this year for $1,860.00 using the buy it now option. An original Model of 1922 complete with the long magazine
sold recently on an internet auction for just over $3,000.00. These are real world sales prices, not pie in the sky minimum
bid prices on items that never get a bid.

I prefer the Sales Variation due to the beautiful blue finish. These are most often found with original blue as they were sold as
new items to private citizens or military officers. It seems that the
Issue types are more in demand due to the people who collect Training Rifles.

Original magazines for the 1922 will bring $500.00. I have paid that much for one just to have it as a spare. 1922M1 and M2 magazines
go for $75.00 to $125.00 with super clean one bringing up to $150.00. The M2 magazine will have M2 stamped on the upper left side.
They are slightly longer than the 1922M1 magazines.

FWIW

[Kragrifle]

Should go without saying, but any magazine will work in any rifle, as long as you have the correct bolt. As Herschel said, the M2 magazine is just a little longer. This is to extend into the underside of the M2 bolt which has just a little deeper relief cut. This was done to address feed problems with the earlier 1922 and 1922M1 rifles. So either the extended 1922 magazine or the shorter M1 mags will work with double firing pin 1922’s and both early and late 1922M1’s. While uncommon to have headspace problems you should check this with a headspace gauge. Like the rimmed 30/40 Krag all you need is the NO GO gauge. An empty cartridge will work for the GO gauge.

[artd]

From my research of M1922M1s on line, the "LONG RIFLE CART'GE ONLY" warning first appears on 10-26 dated barrels.

Art

PS. - Headspace on the 1922s was set at 0.042".

[JimF]

From my research of M1922M1s on line, the "LONG RIFLE CART'GE ONLY" warning first appears on 10-26 dated barrels. . . . .

I hope Herschel weighs in on this, but . . . .

I believe the “long rifle cart’ge only” inscription appears ONLY on the guns of “issue” configuration, as ORIGINALLY made.

The “sales” version does NOT have it.

Am I correct Herschel?

[Kragrifle]

Both rifles are marked the same. Thanks artd for the 10/26 data.

[Herschel]

I agree with Kragrifle. The sales variation also has the marking.

[JimF]

I agree with Kragrifle. The sales variation also has the marking.

That’s interesting, Herschel, as my 1926-dated M1 “sales” version has NO caliber marking . . . .

Musta’ slipped thru??

[artd]

That’s interesting, Herschel, as my 1926-dated M1 “sales” version has NO caliber marking . . . .

Musta’ slipped thru??

What is the barrel date on your rifle? Again, it appears that the marking did not appear until 10-26.

Art

[JimF]

What is the barrel date on your rifle? Again, it appears that the marking did not appear until 10-26.

Art

I believe it is 8-26 . . .I’ll have to dig it out of the safe to be sure.

Just checked . . . .it is 8-26,. . . . so I guess I learned something “new” again! Thanx.

[artd]

I believe it is 8-26 . . .I’ll have to dig it out of the safe to be sure.

Just checked . . . .it is 8-26,. . . . so I guess I learned something “new” again! Thanx.

My wife says that there are probably no more then 10 people in the country that are interested in the obscure data I spend by time digging for. :icon_study: Now I can tell her there are 11! :banana100:

Art

[JimF]

Yeah, Art . . .I hear much the same!

Early on in my collecting, more than once, I would catch the Missus rolling her eyes while they would glaze over when I explained some minor difference in these antiques.

I’ve now given up with her . . .she’s just NOT interested.

[Kragrifle]

Make it 12

[Herschel]

Count me as 13.

[lyman]

Yeah, Art . . .I hear much the same!

Early on in my collecting, more than once, I would catch the Missus rolling her eyes while they would glaze over when I explained some minor difference in these antiques.

I’ve now given up with her . . .she’s just NOT interested.

mine does the same, and doesn't really ask what I am looking at much anymore,

she did perk up one day when I showed her a long lee with the VR on it, so much so that when I told her the VR was for Queen Victoria she claimed it

[artd]

mine does the same, and doesn't really ask what I am looking at much anymore,

she did perk up one day when I showed her a long lee with the VR on it, so much so that when I told her the VR was for Queen Victoria she claimed it

For whatever reason, British royalty ready seems to interest the missus. :icon_queen:

Art

[JiminLE]

Hmmm...so does that make me number 14?...My M1(looks more like an MI.)barrel is marked 10-26 and it has the warning.

Jim

[J.J.]

I have service issue 1922M1, serial #9296, barrel date 10-26. It has the marking.
J.J.

[J.J.]

M1922M1 service issue, serial # 9296, barrel date 10-26 has the marking.
J.J.

[03collector]

Just checked my M1 service model its sn. 228 barrel date 2-24. A little to early no marking on barrel