OHARNG (Ohio Army National Guard 870)

[JJM]

Awhile back I picked up a nice original and correct OHARNG 870 riot gun with an 20" barrel with bead sight without the bayonet adapter and the extended magazine for a very reasonable price
It has the typical ONG in the outline of the State of Ohio markings
I would post some photos of it if I can figure out how to do it

[scosgt]

I got one that was complete.

[JJM]

It is complete
I also have two fixed stock guns with bayonet adapter and one folder with bayonet adapter

[Tom Doniphon]

The riot type gun without bayonet adaptor was used for launching tear gas canisters.

[JJM]

Yes the tear gas launcher would not fit on the shotguns with the mag tube extension and bayonet adapter so the OHARNG procured ten standard model 870 type riot guns for that purpose

[Tom Doniphon]

It's the only ONG receiver marked 870 in riot configuration without the bayonet adaptor I've seen. With only ten acquired, it is a pretty rare shotgun.

[JJM]

What is the opinion on these shotguns do you think they're military or law enforcement/ para- military
I have my opinion of them but I would like to hear some other opinions

[scosgt]

Military

[JJM]

Any particular reason of why you think they're military

[JJM]

Non- Military

[Tom Doniphon]

Well, they're not U.S. Military guns. They were purchased by the State of Ohio for the National Guard. If the Guard were to be federalized I would think they would then be issued weapons by the U.S. Military, particularly if they were to do duty out of the country. They would never take these ONG marked shotguns with them.

[JJM]

Yes the State of the Ohio purchased the guns for the Guard to be used for S.A.D. (State Active Duty) if the Guard was deployed in the State of Ohio under orders from the Governor the guns could be issued for that duty such as civil disobedience prison riots or natural disasters but if the Guard is Federalized then they fall under the Department of the Army and since the guns are state property they cannot be deployed with the unit thus there would be no combat role for the shotguns
In the past few years some states have started surplusing out their shotguns the State of Texas surplused Remington 870 riot guns and Winchester 1200 riot guns with 18" barrels probably 15 plus years ago the State of Arizona surplused their shotguns just a few years ago they were Savage model 69RH riot guns and also the State of Kansas sold off their Remington 870's riot guns with a 20" barrel and rifle sights with the mag tube extension those are the only states I know of that have sold off their shotguns other than the State of Ohio

[colt thompson]

One of my ONG folders has no bayonet lug and it has the shorter tube.

[JJM]

First of all Happy 4th of July weekend
Was the gun purchased from the vendor who originally sold them or on the secondary market also what are the first three digits of the serial number and what is the barrel code that will tell you if the barrel matches the serial number for the production date then I can give you a little bit of history on the guns

[Tom Doniphon]

Yes the State of the Ohio purchased the guns for the Guard to be used for S.A.D. (State Active Duty) if the Guard was deployed in the State of Ohio under orders from the Governor the guns could be issued for that duty such as civil disobedience prison riots or natural disasters but if the Guard is Federalized then they fall under the department of the Army and since the guns are state property they cannot be deployed with the unit thus there would be no combat role for the shotguns
In the past few years some states have started surplusing out their shotguns the State of Texas surplused Remington 870 riot guns and Winchester 1200 riot guns with 18" probably 15 plus years ago the State of Arizona surplused their shotguns just a few years ago they were Savage model 69RH riot guns and also the State of Kansas sold off their Remington 870's riot guns with a 20" barrel and rifle sights with the mag tube extension those are the only states I know of that have sold off their shotguns other than the State of Ohio

Some National Guards don't use or have their own State purchased weapons. They use weapons issued to them by the federal government. I would think if those Guards were federalized they could take those federal issued weapons with them wherever they go.

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One of my ONG folders has no bayonet lug and it has the shorter tube.

That sounds like an interesting variation you have there. Would love to know more about it.

[JJM]

Yes you're quite right a lot of Guard units have been issued Federally owned shotguns so there is no restrictions on their mission use
I believe that the OHARNG were issued Mossberg's and the M26 MASS so they were able to dispose of their 870's

[Charlie Flick]

Awhile back I picked up a nice original and correct OHARNG 870 riot gun with an 20" barrel with bead sight without the bayonet adapter and the extended magazine for a very reasonable price. It has the typical ONG in the outline of the State of Ohio markings. I would post some photos of it if I can figure out how to do it

Here you go, Jeff. These few pics below from a recently completed auction will illustrate the folding stock version of the Ohio NG M870s. Not my gun, but I lifted the pics to provide some badly needed images for this thread.

BTW, while these are indeed martial weapons in a general sense I agree that these should be considered State owned guns and not USGI guns.

Regards,
Charlie Flick

https://i.postimg.cc/m2JsC3ZH/Ohio-NG-Rem-M870-folded-stock-JPG.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/x1mSRkqF/Ohio-NG-Rem-M870-folder.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/8PjG7XGG/Ohio-NG-Rem-M870-barrel-marking.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/nVdZcb6T/Ohio-NG-Rem-M870-barrel-and-fore-end.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Tom Doniphon]

That's an interesting one, Charlie. Jeff's ONG riot gun w/o bayonet adaptor has a fixed buttstock. All the other ONG riots w/o adaptors I've seen also had fixed buttstocks.

[Charlie Flick]

Hello Tom:

Good to see you here on the Forum. It seems like it has been a long time since we have communicated. Hope all is well with you.

Here are a couple of pics of the Trenchgun version Ohio NG M870s. (Again, this one is not my gun either.) It features the bayonet adapter you mentioned, the fixed stock and sling swivels.

Regards,
Charlie

https://i.postimg.cc/153Jrb7g/Ohio-NG-Rem-M870-Trenchgun-right.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/SQrg8mdF/Ohio-NG-Rem-M870-Trenchgun-left.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[colt thompson]

The folder shown above by Charlie was my gun that I mentioned in this thread last July. I consigned it to Larry to sell on GB. I still have a full tube/bayonet lug ONG folder and full stock

[Tom Doniphon]

[QUOTE=Charlie Flick;613972]Hello Tom:

Good to see you here on the Forum. It seems like it has been a long time since we have communicated. Hope all is well with you.

Charlie, good to hear from you too.

[Tom Doniphon]

colt thompson, the barrel on the folder you sold that doesn't have the bayonet adaptor and mag tube extension looks like it has a 1971 barrel date. My folder as well as the other folders I have seen have 1972 barrel dates. I wonder if its a replacement barrel on that folder?