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Liam
04-03-2021, 06:50
Two U.S. foot soldiers serving as guards at a Gettysburg Reunion that brought together 50,000 American Civil War Veterans, Pennsylvania, 1913.
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lyman
04-03-2021, 08:37
colorized photo?


wondering if the rifles were really that worn, finish wise,

RCS
04-03-2021, 09:18
no handguard clips in the left rifle

bruce
04-03-2021, 10:26
Cool picture. Thanks for posting it. Sincerely. bruce.

Johnny P
04-03-2021, 06:49
The hand guard clips weren't added until some time in 1910, and the rifles probably hadn't been back for maintenance.

Merc
04-04-2021, 05:15
Interesting photo. Original b/w would be valuable. (All items related to Gettysburg are valuable.). The soldiers appear to be fully armed and are ready for anything. Probably a company that was assigned guard duty to protect and assist the veterans. You have to wonder if they appreciated the significance of the event?

Some observations:

The tent behind them appears to have a veteran seated in a folding chair.

The butt plate, bolt and barrel bands do not appear to be blued. Notice the foresight hood.

Blue hat cords signifying enlisted men? (Gold = officers?) Both have hat pins, possibly regimental insignias. (Add - The soldier on the left has a regimental insignia pinned to his shirt pocket flap.).

Standard issue ammo belt with suspenders, watch fob and a clean unworn (recently issued?) bayonet.

fjruple
04-04-2021, 05:34
Thanks for sharing!!

J.J.
04-04-2021, 09:12
Have rifle #406328, bbl. date 2-10. The handguard is a shortened 1905 type with sight line cut modification and no clips. No other 1910 mods are present.
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Merc
04-05-2021, 04:42
Both soldiers are lightweights. I’ll bet the soldier on the right doesn’t weigh more than 120 pounds.

RCS
04-05-2021, 04:53
Here is a photo of the s stamp on a shortened handguard without clips but grooved49096

Merc
04-06-2021, 10:48
Here is the original black and white photo:

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Marine A5 Sniper Rifle
04-12-2021, 06:22
Those reunions were most interesting. There is a video of some aged Confederate vets dong the infamous Rebel Yell on YouTube. The reunions continued well into the 20th Century. In the photos I have seen, everyone appears to be right friendly to each other. Their wives accompanied the vets, and those are some pretty tough looking old birds. Current attempts to wipe out Confederate history and Old South cultures are sad footnotes to American history. If the vets could forgive each other, it seems the rest of us should follow suit. My great grandfather John Carter Gregory fought as a Confederate, and he was against slavery. He always said it was impossible to find farm work due to slavery. He viewed the war as an invasion of the South, and slavery as an instrument to make a very few men very wealthy and the rest of the common men poor as church mice.

Merc
04-13-2021, 07:25
Here is a home movie of the last Gettysburg reunion.

https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/home-video-brings-1938-civil-war-reunion-to-life/417-477562337

Fred Pillot
04-13-2021, 12:41
I wonder what model belt the soldier on the right is wearing. It looks wider than an m1910.

togor
04-14-2021, 01:40
Those reunions were most interesting. There is a video of some aged Confederate vets dong the infamous Rebel Yell on YouTube. The reunions continued well into the 20th Century. In the photos I have seen, everyone appears to be right friendly to each other. Their wives accompanied the vets, and those are some pretty tough looking old birds. Current attempts to wipe out Confederate history and Old South cultures are sad footnotes to American history. If the vets could forgive each other, it seems the rest of us should follow suit. My great grandfather John Carter Gregory fought as a Confederate, and he was against slavery. He always said it was impossible to find farm work due to slavery. He viewed the war as an invasion of the South, and slavery as an instrument to make a very few men very wealthy and the rest of the common men poor as church mice.

Common sentiment in the north as well. My wife comes from Iowa Germans on her father's side, immigrants in the 1850s. We went to a family reunion a few years back, and nearby was the town cemetery where the original bearer of the family name is buried. Looking down to the northeast, the Mississippi river can be seen, maybe an hour away on horseback. Germany being a land of rivers and hillsides (especially in the southwest), it is no surprise that they felt a bit more at home in that region. Those Iowa Germans objected to slavery on the basis that they could not compete against unpaid labor, and they were willing to enlist and fight to keep the union intact. At the same time they had no particular desire to share Iowa with newly-freed slaves, and even passed laws to that effect.

Johnny P
04-14-2021, 02:20
I wonder what model belt the soldier on the right is wearing. It looks wider than an m1910.

I believe it is a Model 1903 belt. On the Model 1910 the adjustment was in the back, and the cartridge pockets were moved to the front up next to the buckle.

Shown is the Model 1903 on top, and 1910 on bottom.

https://i.postimg.cc/vmJjyXWL/1903CB.jpg

Art
04-15-2021, 03:22
Interesting photo. Original b/w would be valuable. (All items related to Gettysburg are valuable.). The soldiers appear to be fully armed and are ready for anything. Probably a company that was assigned guard duty to protect and assist the veterans. You have to wonder if they appreciated the significance of the event?



Blue hat cords signifying enlisted men? (Gold = officers?) Both have hat pins, possibly regimental insignias. (Add - The soldier on the left has a regimental insignia pinned to his shirt pocket flap.).

The hat cords are Campaign Cords; blue cords signify infantry. At this time only the Infantry is authorized to wear a cord which is currently worn over the right shoulder. Enlisted infantrymen also wear a blue disk around their collar brass. The ammunition pouches that are visible are empty. As far as the finish of the rifles, colors in these colorized pictures tend not to be true so their may be more blue finish than appears in the picture.

blackhawknj
04-16-2021, 11:09
Wonder if they were Regular Army or National Guard ?
The one story I read about the 50th Gettyburg Reunion said at the end of the reenactment of Pickett's Charge, a couple of Confederate veterans leaped up on the Stone Wall to shake hands, one Union veteran replied:
"You SOBs didn't get across here in '63 and you ain't getting across now!"

Art
04-16-2021, 01:34
Wonder if they were Regular Army or National Guard ?

Could be NG, it's possible the '03s were working their way down to the guard and replacing the Krags by then.