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RCS
10-01-2021, 05:25
This early Springfield four digit rifle was rebuilt at some point in time during the war. It was located
at a Michigan gun show in the late 1990's.

The serial number was sent to the late Frank Mallory at Springfield Research who was able to document
that this was the first M1 rifle sent to Winchester in Sept 1938 for testing and evaluation497004970149702

lyman
10-01-2021, 11:50
nice find!!

RCS
10-01-2021, 07:21
Pre war gas trap rifles sent to Winchester

1. SN 1607 sent in Sept 1938 as part of a package of drawings, specifications, clips, combination
tool, cleaning rod and bayonet. rifle was tested and returned to Springfield, rebuilt and returned
to service.

2. SN 11124 sent to Winchester on June 28, 1939, Sent back to Springfield on Aug 19, 1939.

location unknown

3. SN 11919 sent to Winchester and tested at long ranges

location unknown

4. SN 15070 sent to Winchester just a few months before new gas system

now at Cody museum

Copies of receipt from Springfield to Winchester for #16074970549706

fjruple
10-02-2021, 04:01
Sounds like the rifle as an example for starting the Winchester Educational contract. The just of the documents seems to indicate GFE (Government Furnished Equipment) for the beginnings of a contract. Great find. The rifle was probably returned to the Army at some point and rebuilt into a gas port rifle and then released to US Army stores. Excellent find!!

Now if you can find the return documents. Probably some time after the war when Winchester's contract ended and the GFE was returned.

RCS
10-02-2021, 01:16
Canfield's book "The M1 Garand rifle" has a few pages about testing the early SA gas trap rifles
at Winchester.

Interesting that Remington was not included and Pugsley was not that interested in the Garand
as Winchester had their own semi auto rifle.

RCS
10-03-2021, 11:03
Question on Springfield serial number 1607.

This rifle being manufactured in early 1938, shipped to Winchester for testing, being
returned at some point in time during WW2 ( not being annealed during rebuild might
indicate 1942 or 1943 ?) returned as a gas port rifle (barrel is S-A 4-41 with mint bore)
and returned to service.

This rifle does not show alot of service usage as my photos show. My question: what
kind of value would you place on this rifle if you were going to sell it ?49714497154971649718

RCS
10-07-2021, 05:06
There were a few early parts on 1607 when I bought it. One part was the windage knob, very early and small checkering
pattern, had to take a few photos to get the checkering pattern. never seen one, only pictures4975249753

lyman
10-07-2021, 06:08
not sure on pricing,

the provenance will drive it up a bit , if that type of collector gets wind of it,

even if it was rebuilt ,


my brother and I both have 3 digits (mine is dated to my Birth Month, and Dad's birth year (38), my brothers dates to his birth month, all by coincidence)

both were rebuilt , mine still has the greenish park from the 40's, he is the light gray,

both were school guns,

not sure what they are worth either,,

jon_norstog
10-10-2021, 07:41
That is a hell of a find! You should contact 5 Mad farmers, I bet he could dig up more background and provenance. I am wondering what it meant, 1938 the US was thinking about producing great numbers of a self-loading battle rifle. Who was pushing this? It really showed forethought. Reminds me of Hap Arnold that year, setting up a string of bomber bases in the west, beyond the range of carrier-based planes. And pushing for development of the B-29.

jn