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Johnny P
12-01-2021, 05:42
Alec Baldwin cleared up one thing about the shooting on the movie set. "I did not pull the trigger!"
Strange how he would wait so long and so many lawsuits gathering before making such a statement.
He didn't have to pull the triggger, but he did have it in his hand. The gun has no hammer block or transfer bar; hammer only had to be pulled back 1/4" to 3/8" and released to cause the gun to discharge off. That's why the oldtimers kept the hammer down on an empty chamber.
Handling the gun, he may not have rememberd he unconciously "thumbed" the hammer. That is a natural, ergonomic "feel" for that type of pistol, just like putting your finger on the trigger of a firearm is the natural "feel" of handling a firearm, and why we pound it into junior shooters to keep their finger off the trigger untill they are in position and ready to fire.
He didn't have to pull the triggger, but he did have it in his hand. The gun has no hammer block or transfer bar; hammer only had to be pulled back 1/4" to 3/8" and released to cause the gun to discharge off. That's why the oldtimers kept the hammer down on an empty chamber.
Handling the gun, he may not have rememberd he unconciously "thumbed" the hammer.
Sometimes the old timers kept the hammer down on an empty chamber and sometimes they didn't. In the gunfight in Waco, Texas between W.C. Brann and Tom Davis in 1898 (I wrote about it at length previously) both men had their Colt Single Actions loaded with six cartridges and both fired all six in the process of mortally wounding each other. Wyatt Earp once barely escaped being injured or killed in a freak accident when a pistol he was carrying in his coat pocket fell out when he rocked back in a chair, landed on the hammer and went off. The bullet went through his coat but not Earp. Sometimes safety trumped the extra round for those guys and sometimes it didn't.
Art when on the job, 5 rounds or 6 in your revolver?
Cops I talked to back then usually said 5.
Dan Shapiro
12-02-2021, 08:40
I'm sure Baldwin's attorney is screaming at him to STFU!
Art when on the job, 5 rounds or 6 in your revolver?
Cops I talked to back then usually said 5.
Six. The hammer block on modern revolvers makes them safe with six. I know the NYPD, FBI, and every department I delt with in Texas loaded to capacity with wheel guns.
jjrothWA
12-03-2021, 09:16
Why where they using first or second generation SAA?
He failed to confirm the status of the firearm. Was it "Cold" or not?
What type ammo was found .38 Spl or .357Mag.
there appears to be no set in concrete procedures for this entire Charlie Foxtrot!
Sounds like a bunch of liberals to me that had never handled a gun of any kind. Per my readings, some of the cast were excited over this new toy and liked to shoot cans while not filming. It sounds like the whole bunch didn't know the difference between blanks, dummy rounds and live ammo.
There was apparently only one gun on the set, so it was the same one everyone was playing with.
Bottom line is, no matter who tells you a gun is cold, safe, empty, etc, the user should check it himself before aiming it at someone and firing. If the user doesn't know the difference between live ammo, dummies and blanks he should ask, get help, or whatever.
Major Tom
12-04-2021, 07:25
Baldwin funded that whole movie production and obviously did not want to spend money on experts to supervise cast and crew. Now he's blaming the woman ciniotogrpher as the culprit and also saying he's not sorry at all! He is a wack jod and stupid and a dimocrat!
Johnny P
12-04-2021, 12:10
The Colt SAA has two safety notches. The experts (probably supporting Mr. Baldwin) are claiming that he didn't have to pull the trigger for the gun to fire as all he had to do was pull the hammer back and release it for the revolver to fire. The Colt SAA has two safety notches, one just as the hammer is initially pulled back which keeps the cylinder locked in battery, and another at about half cock where the cylinder is released and aligns for loading. If the trigger is pulled this does release the safety notch, as the hammer must be pulled back from the safety notch and the trigger pulled to lower the hammer. But, he did not touch the trigger.
Who cares how it went off?
When all said & done, some lower lackey will be blamed.
Vern Humphrey
12-04-2021, 02:51
He DID pull the trigger. He just pulled it BEFORE thumbing back the hammer and he held it back until he released the hammer. This is called "slip firing" and is similar to "fanning."
When all said & done, some lower lackey will be blamed.
As said early on: the gun will get the blame and fuel more gun control measures.
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He DID pull the trigger. He just pulled it BEFORE thumbing back the hammer and he held it back until he released the hammer. This is called "slip firing" and is similar to "fanning."
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He DID pull the trigger. He just pulled it BEFORE thumbing back the hammer and he held it back until he released the hammer. This is called "slip firing" and is similar to "fanning."
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Johnny P
12-04-2021, 06:18
Who cares how it went off?
I have a feeling the ladies family has some concerns.
Absolutely. They know that someone they love got killed and they will wonder how. Thumbed the hammer, pulled the trigger, it comes down to negligence. Young, ill trained kids making movies. Alec is a has-been who stooped to working with kids. Remember, no one can tell you no these days. Even if you don't know what you are doing.
If there was live ammo anywhere near the set, it's out of control. Not so much Baldwins fault for being a fool, but everyone who stood around while kids were firing live ammo on the off days.
There should have been someone in charge with some experience who said, knock it off. We have had a couple of deaths out here in my country by, well, a lot of deaths, by people who don't know the basics of gun handling. If you live in CA and don't know anything about guns don't let anyone hand you a piece without checking it out first. Point it at the ground and pull the trigger. You might be surprised or maybe not. If it's a revolver pull the trigger six times(at the ground). No harm done.
Just a guess, but I wonder if the revolver had been modified. IF both safety notches, and the full cock notch, had been ground off (or broken off) would drawing the hammer back and releasing it to fly forward fire a round without pulling the trigger? Baldwin said he didn't pull the trigger, and Hollywood is known to modify firearms to achieve certain effects.
Just a guess, but I wonder if the revolver had been modified. IF both safety notches, and the full cock notch, had been ground off (or broken off) would drawing the hammer back and releasing it to fly forward fire a round without pulling the trigger? Baldwin said he didn't pull the trigger, and Hollywood is known to modify firearms to achieve certain effects.
I'm sure the said gun is in the hands of the authorities so it will be checked out.
Regardless, it is an act of negligence. Halyna Hutchins was killed by arrogance and stupidity.
JB White
12-06-2021, 07:09
It's going to be someone's else's fault, of course.
Like handing car keys to a 12 year old and letting them take it down the freeway. Once the disaster happens then it's "They should never have made that car!" and "Who put fuel in it?"
The scary part is always those who can't see anything for what it is. A bunch of incompetents without a lick of common sense. So someone else must pay. That's justice. (?)
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