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hi , I was recently told that the cmp sold semi auto 14 thru the cmp in the pre 1968 gun control act , these were former military m14 with the selector switch welded for competition, similar to the M1 Nm rifles is true?
and how many were sold
No. M14s were still issue weapons at the time and there was no CMP.
Scott Wilson
07-08-2023, 07:13
Some years ago welded M14 rifles were made available to gun clubs for use in sanctioned matches. It is my understanding that these rifles were all re-called to be put back into service.
welded as in the selector switches where welded ?
Scott Wilson
07-09-2023, 06:48
Yes.
sear welded, or the selector removed and the button welded,
they were released to clubs and competitors for years,
then in the late 90's or early 2000's they all got recalled,
about the time the AR took over Service Rifle/High Power,
most went Smith or another vendor and were rebuilt to serve in the GWOT,
Never were sold by the CMP though.
Would be easier to just grind off the small lug on the bottom of the receiver to that of an M1A receiver. 1/8" x 5/8". I've heard that's what Canada did with surplus M14's.
Never were sold by the CMP though.
correct,
loaned to State Team members thru the old DCM then CMP program,
know a few guys that had one and went Distinguised on them
Ahh yes! . . . . .those were the days!
Can you imagine this? . . . .
Some of the M14 NM rifles that were loaned to the Rhode Island club . . . .WENT UNUSED!!
(My cousin DID use one, but MANY went unused!)
Johnny P
07-10-2023, 09:14
The old DCM was changed to CMP in 1996.
ok , were any M14 sold under the DCM ??
Embalmer
07-11-2023, 08:01
None sold by dcm/cmp. Though trw did make a few semiautomatic only "NM" m14s that a few made way to hands of civilians. Last one I saw sold went for $$$
The "will the government ever release M14 rifles come up for public sale" comes up periodically.
My understanding is there are less than 100 of the national match semi automatic M14s in civilian hands. I can't imagine any more will ever be released. The M14 is not obsolete in US service and is still being issued by the military and I suspect will continue to be, despite their gradual replacement in the Designated Marksman roll by AR platform rifles. I think they will be used until they are "expended," that is ragged out beyond repair.
The M14 falls under the BATFE's "once a machine gun always a machine gun" rule. That alone makes them unsaleable regardless of how they're modified to be semi automatic only.
I've learned the hard way never to say "never" though. I once said there would never be an immigration amnesty. I also said a man would never be able to legally marry another man. Just don't hold your breath.
Would be easier to just grind off the small lug on the bottom of the receiver to that of an M1A receiver. 1/8" x 5/8". I've heard that's what Canada did with surplus M14's.
BATF wouldnt allow that though because to them, "once a machine gun, always a machine gun"
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in our little 100yd walk and paste league we had the local Border Patrol Lt borrow an M14 and ammo, from the station, to come shoot. i dont think he could hit the broad side of a barn from the inside...
anyway he would come out and open the case on the benches and then take his wallet out with his badge and put it 'flush and grounded' to the edge of the bench 'JUST SO'... not so much to let people know he's allowed to have a select fire rifle but to SHOW hes a Lt and is using a select fire rifle...
he got moved, not by request and a HS friend of mine who transferred home decided he wanted to shoot one in the league. he went through all 11 of them (i think that was the number) and he found that the Lt had brought a different one out each time, fired it and then put it away dirty. he scrubbed them all down and used just one for the season. he wanted to shoot Expert since he had done so with the M16 while in the 82nd...
when I started service rifle, several guys were still using the M14\M1A and doing well, but all eventually switched over to the AR,
the few State guns were about worn out, (for a Distinguished or High Master ) but probably would have served an Expert or lower well for another season or 2,
I shot my M1A, converted to NFA back in 86. a couple times, but since i started on the AR, it was a big learning curve that I did not need to do,
however I did shoot Garand Matches for a few years and did well,
BATF wouldnt allow that though because to them, "once a machine gun, always a machine gun"
Yeah I know, simply because of the M14 stamp. The same goes for the M2 carbine. Silly. All a person would have to do is weld the small tab onto any M1A receiver that houses the selector parts if they wanted a full auto version. Illegal of course, but that is another issue.
It's just another excuse for the gov't to destroy our guns, most of which met their fate with "captain crunch".
Reagan wanted to do away with the BATF and reassign them as border patrol agents where they could possibly be of some use.
Old Guns
07-13-2023, 08:37
I do know that years ago, either the DCM or ODCMP sold an M14 parts kit as I bought one. Of course, there was no receiver or selector parts. Maybe even some other parts. But this was a parts kit only.
I do know that years ago, either the DCM or ODCMP sold an M14 parts kit as I bought one. Of course, there was no receiver or selector parts. Maybe even some other parts. But this was a parts kit only.
I bought a bunch of kits from CMP when Orest was in place. No bolt, barrel or receiver. Sure was nice to have them. Whatta Hobby!
Reese Surplus used to sell complete kits less the receiver and selector parts for $400 and you had your choice of matching parts by SA, Win, HRA, and TRW.
Their ads were in the Shotgun News issues throughout the 90's. Back then no one had any use for the parts though as no one (that I know of) was manf semi receivers.
When Springfield Inc began business their early M1A guns were made of the surplus parts (less receiver) till they became more scarce and costly.
When CMP first started selling the kits, you could ask for specific MFG and usually got it. Later on it was luck of the draw. Orion 7 had a ton of parts and sold kits at the same period.
Not long before that you could pick up a complete parts kit niw less receiver at shows for about $250. Most of which, I have been told, came from returned parts supplied to Israel. Bought plenty then, but obviously never enough. Did stretch the budget anyway. Every now and again I have been made aware of parts stashes that still exist. I buy them up whenever I can, just in case. Whatta Hobby!
barretcreek
07-25-2023, 03:57
Guy who built my four digit Springfield told me it's kosher.
In the mid 80's I shot on the Md. HP team and had the use of an m14. I also had an M1a that Glen Nelson built for me. I went distinguished in 88 at Perry and used my personal rife shooting the last leg. I had two legs with an M14 and two with my own rifle. I still have my personal M1a and even shoot it once in a while.
clarkaim
10-19-2023, 01:05
i was issued a state gun in 1999 from Kansas Rifle Association. that was when everyone was switching to the AR and Sandy had one that nobody wanted so he issued it to me. I wouldn't say it was ragged out but it was NOT as accurate as the One George Gardner had built for me out of an early 90's SA M1a. Kind of cool that it was a bona-fied 14 tho. A TRW NM as I recall. I gave it back in 2001 some time as I'd quit doing much hi-power asI had gotten married and started having children and the wife took all my time away. 25 years later my 3 sons ae all old enough to get into it but i'm old a blind now. i bet that rifle is still in use as a dmr somewhere (I hope)
Wife keeps stealing my F150 anyway
In the mid 80's I shot on the Md. HP team and had the use of an m14. I also had an M1a that Glen Nelson built for me. I went distinguished in 88 at Perry and used my personal rife shooting the last leg. I had two legs with an M14 and two with my own rifle. I still have my personal M1a and even shoot it once in a while.
sadly, in MD, the M1A is a prohibitted weapon, now
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