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    Default Another 1898 Carbine (?)

    Some more forum fodder--In addition to the 1899 I recently got that came in an 03 stock, I also got this carbine (S/N 119569):

    http://www.gunauction.com/buy/121703...al-bolt-action



    It looked like a decent 1899 carbine stock (with aftermarket sling swivels, but it’s not too badly butchered), with what looked like a correct length carbine barrel and front band with, at least, a correct front sight base. Even though it’s dovetailed for the Marbles rear sight, I think a proper rear sight and handguard would cover it. Since I’m not much of a hard-core collector (more of an accumulator), I think it would make a good representative piece.

    After looking it over, now I’m wondering if it may be one of the fabled 5000 real 1898 carbines. Aside from the rear sight, the barrel is the correct 22”, and the index marks on the barrel/receiver match with the “P” stamp on the barrel. I think the barrel was probably removed at some point to add the dovetail, but I don’t see any gorilla marks (vise or pipe-wrench). After looking more closely at the front sight, even though it was filed down to work better with the rear sight (I’m assuming), it does appear to have a small “C” stamped on the side.




    http://imageshack.us/a/img838/7184/fx8k.jpg

    There are also a bunch of seemingly random letter stamps at the front underside of the receiver and on the loading gate (inspection/refurb?):



    The stock appears to be an 1899 replacement, with no evidence of sanding, and no inspection marks or proof “P” behind the trigger guard.

    I know that it could never be proven for sure (unless it hit in the SRS or other documents are found) so I’m looking at it as an "1898 Carbine*", with the asterisk denoting that it’s within the serial number range of known carbines with a couple of carbine features, and no positive ID as one of the 5000. It’ll probably be a fun shooter, though.
    Last edited by JacobCR; 07-14-2013 at 10:49.

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    I own 119418. It too is in an 1899 replacement stock with no cartouches. There is what looks like the remains of the letter C or G just behind the trigger guard.

    I'd like to see an overall photo of yours to see if it has a similar finish. The stock on mine is very dark. The bore on mine was completely toast when I got it so I had the barrel re-lined.
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    ??? All those random stamps! The lunchbox is case hardened and those stamps would almost have to have been done prior to that operation.

    jn

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    Ok... now I know I'm off my rocker... In picture 3 (LH side of front sight), there appears to be marks that make it look like a teddy bears face, LOL Am I losing it???

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    I agree Jon, those stamps were struck while the iron was hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psteinmayer View Post
    Ok... now I know I'm off my rocker... In picture 3 (LH side of front sight), there appears to be marks that make it look like a teddy bears face, LOL Am I losing it???
    Yes, you have lost it. It's clearly a Koala Bear.

    Last edited by 5MadFarmers; 07-16-2013 at 10:56.

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    I was very excited to have 5M5 finally weigh in on this thread. As usual his insight is most enlightening. Now I see the teddy bear. couldn't see it before.
    "A man with a tractor and a chain saw has no excuses, nor does he need any"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Daiute View Post
    I was very excited to have 5M5 finally weigh in on this thread. As usual his insight is most enlightening. Now I see the teddy bear. couldn't see it before.
    No kidding - certainly made MY day!!
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    Looks like the 'Mickey Mouse' logo. Was Disney tinkering with guns?
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