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    Quote Originally Posted by richard pries View Post
    if a person breaks into your house and hurts a person can you use deadly force if they are running away and not facing you. correction DEFENSE
    A homeowner in Anaheim Hills, Ca confronted a burglar in his garage. The burglar hit the home owner with a shovel. The homeowner went upstairs and retrieved his shotgun. He came back to his garage in time to see the burglar running down the sidewalk. He shot the burglar, and the burglar was apprehended as the police arrived on the scene.

    Several months later, the District Attorney declined to charge the homeowner, even though it is illegal to shoot someone running away. The DA felt it was not possible to find a jury that would convict the home owner.

    I would say that incident was an exception to the rule.
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    Massad Ayoob testified in a case where a store owner chased a robber out of the store. The robber turned and fired, the store owner returned fire and killed the robber. The store owner was not charged, but was sued.

    When Ayoob was being deposed, he was asked "Do you expect us to believe a little snub-nosed revolver was a danger to the store owner at that distance?" Ayoob replied, "I consider a snub nosed r evolver to be dangerous at a hundred yards. He saw the attorney make a note.

    Later, he got some friends and they shot at silhouette targets at 100 yards, signed and dated the targets. During the trial the lawyer asked him, "Didn't you say you consider a snub-nosed revolver dangerous at 100 yards?"

    Ayoob smiled and said, "I'm glad you asked me that."

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    Is it mere coincidence that Massad's last name, spelled backwards is: Booya!

    Booya
    A verbal expression of victory; usually derisive.
    "In your face! Booya!"

    ... That, in response to the lawyer ...

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    I have taken Massad's class 3 times - and it is my understanding that you can shoot a fleeing felon under a few very distinct circumstances. You have to have witnessed the felony - you have to believe they would be a severe threat to the safety of others if they escape - and you have exhausted all other methods available to stop them and they would likely escape

    Now having said that - I also learned during my ccw class "every bullet has an attorney attached to it"

    Will you be arrested - probable - will you be prosecuted - depends upon the state / city and ambitions of the DA, my guess - probably -- will you spend 100,000 plus to defend yourself - oh yeah - will you go to jail - iffy - is the "good shoot" going to be worth it - nope

    Now here is the BUT

    If they are running down a hall where other family members may be in that direction - I would say you are defending your family from what you believe to be a continued attack and stand a good chance of no conviction

    I am not a lawyer - I am not giving legal advice - Simply my opinion based upon training - you mileage may vary

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    In a class I took years ago, the deputy DA that was teaching it stressed, "you had better be prepared to convince a jury, that you were in mortal fear of your life, or that of another."
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    IMHO District Attorneys that I have met have a mindset of their own, everyone is guilty of something and I intend to prove it. Unfortunately DA's will hide evidence, that has been proven time and time again. Personally I feel there should be a time limit on how long they are in office to try and keep them honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deano41 View Post
    In a class I took years ago, the deputy DA that was teaching it stressed, "you had better be prepared to convince a jury, that you were in mortal fear of your life, or that of another."
    Absolutely. It helps if you wet your pants and pretend not to notice it until the police call your attention to it.

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    The OP is scant on details, such as whether the person is in or out of the residence which can be a huge factor in justifiable homicide cases. State laws also vary...a lot, but, generally, lf you can not demonstrate the threat of death or serious bodily injury is present to you or someone else at the instant you pull the trigger be prepared to be charged with aggravated assault, manslaughter attempted murder or murder if you shoot anybody. This is especially true if the person is running away. Again, without knowing the details its hard to tell but I don't know of a state where retribution is grounds for the use of deadly force.
    Last edited by Art; 10-20-2017 at 11:42.

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    On the other hand, Texas permits the use of deadly force to protect property after dark.

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    "...not charged, but was sued..." Costs time and money even if you win. The entire question depends on where you are anyway.
    "...a little snub-nosed revolver was a danger to the store owner..." Nope, but the criminal shooting it certainly is.
    "...Massad's last name..." Ayoob was his last name long before Hollywood invented "Booya!".
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