Remington Model 1911 UMC

**da gimp** · 03-07-2013, 12:38

faded pretty bad but this you know..........I'd still rate it NRA good... unless in person it looked rougher.good luck to you.......near mint it ain't........... & the big money buyers want it either NIB or very, very close to mint condition.

**alanroseman** · 03-07-2013, 12:41

I was under the impression that this particular gun is quite difficult to find. Only 22,000 produced. That combined with the fact that it has not been refinished and has its original holster rendered it quite valuable. Then again, I may be wrong.

**da gimp** · 03-07-2013, 12:44

it is what I call in near rough condition.............& condition is everything........ sorry.

**Bayonetman** · 03-07-2013, 01:41

Having sold one of these not all that long ago in somewhat better condition (although photos can be deceiving) I have to agree with dagimp. Collectors who are willing to spend serious money are VERY condition oriented. Every percent less finish from like new can devalue the piece sometimes by as much as 10% or more until you get down to 95% or so when the slope starts to level out. Mine was all correct, finish was about 90% although it had faded toward brown in some areas. It was shown to several serious collectors at three major shows and although all showed interest, the offers were all well below what a near mint piece would bring (by about 50%). Still sold for more than a Colt in similar condition, but only by a relatively small amount. By the time a major auction house sells it (if they are even interested) and takes their cut (usually more than you think - 25 to 30 percent or even more is common) you probably could sell it privately for as much or more as you would realize from the auction. For top dollar a piece must have three things - Condition, rarity and desirability. This one has only fair rarity and condition although the desirability is fairly high.

**Richard1911** · 03-07-2013, 03:42

I like it and would be proud to have it in my collection. Here is a thought for you on the auction business....RIA I think gets 20% ouch so go look at the one that sold last December. There is a dreamer on GB.com I have been trying to work with and his is a real dog and notice it has NEVER been bid on. It is worth what someone will pay and that's about it. I know a guy that would buy yours in that condition if it was priced for condition.

**alanroseman** · 03-08-2013, 02:44

Thanks for the input...

da gimp: No reason to be sorry. it's just a gun, I didn't design it, build it or invent it... I appreciate the feedback. Again, I understand the condition, but I do disagree that condition "is everything". I'd say condition would be relative to scarcity, and this model has plenty of scarcity.

Richard 1911. The James T Julia auction house has the images, they feel it will do quite well especially as it has its original scabbard / holster. They have in fact attached a fairly significant number as a reserve price should I proceed. Of course they spend considerable time and money advertising their auctions to ensure serious collectors will be aware of what is upcoming.

I'm not a collector of militaria, or 1911's. That said, I have fairly strong provenance, the original web belt and scabbard, all of the numbers and markings are correct, and it is the rarest of the 1911's according to most known sources.

I do notice that while folks here are commenting on condition and value by percentages, as yet none has ventured forth with a dollar amount... Any special reason there?

**alanroseman** · 03-08-2013, 05:15

Better Images

Hello Folks,

The images I sent were not very flattering to the gun.
They were taken with harsh angled lighting to accentuate the markings, stamps and cartouche.

This may help you guys get a feel for the entire package as memorabilia ..

These images present the gun along with its accessories.
Original Scabbard / dated and inspection stamped.
Original khaki web belt stamped US.

I/m told it is quite rare to have the complete, unrestored ensemble...

Does this help at all?

Attached Files

**Richard1911** · 03-08-2013, 05:33

That's because everyone wants a deal or to not offer more than what the price is you have established in your mind.
Some people have more money than brains and others are more frugal when it comes to their hobby.

**alanroseman** · 03-08-2013, 05:36

Thanks Richard, I believe you are correct in that assessment. Feel free to contact me via private email if you can offer some consult on this issue.

Cheers, Alan

**Richard1911** · 03-08-2013, 05:40

Already done

**alanroseman** · 03-08-2013, 05:45

Hello Richard,

Not sure which email address you used, but I have not received it as of yet...

alanroseman@me.com

**Richard1911** · 03-08-2013, 05:48

Already done.

**Richard1911** · 03-08-2013, 05:49

It was a pm I am emailing now

**John C** · 03-08-2013, 05:59

It is good that you have the original holster, belt, etc with this pistol. Looking on ebay or other websites, a WW1 holster and belt would set you back......Mmmmmmmm $200 max? Your belt and holster may be "original" with the pistol but lets face it, there is really no way to prove that. As well as they look, in the end they are just another accessory that can be found and added to a pistol to complete a "rig" whether it was done 80 years ago or 3 years ago. As for the auction houses.........of course they are going to tell you what you would like to hear it is money in their pocket no matter if it sells for what they told you it might sell for or some lesser amount. You may come out better financially selling the pistol on your on. Just my .02$

John

Remington Model 1911 UMC

Remington Model 1911 UMC

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