Singer grip comparison

[ben reyes]

Tommy2guns, thanks for sharing your story. I believe it belongs here.

“Real integrity is doing the right thing, knowing that nobody’s going to know whether you did it or not.” Oprah Winfrey.

[Tommy2guns]

Thank you Ben. So now it is you, me and Oprah takes on the world! I love it. With your brains, my good looks and
Oprah's money we may have a chance....
T2G

[ignats]

I agree with JP. Take your fight/attack some place more appropriate like the BBB, law enforcement, or out to the parking lot.

Yep, me too enough already. I have seen far too many boards ruined with this sort of nonsense.

[Scott Gahimer]

Anyone foolish enough to believe any of that story has anything to do with me or any inspection I've done isn't worth worrying about. I don't even believe the story is true. I also think The Amazing Gordo and Tommy are one on the same. It's kinda sad to think this is all someone, supposedly so rich and impotent, has to do. But he has shown a lot of guns with problems, and I've been one of the persons to point out the fakes. Sour grapes and sh*t for brains often does lead to such behavior in children and idiots.

All I will say is Tommy/Gordo's "story" has NOTHING to do with me. If you believe it's true or has anything to do with me, I feel sorry for you. Life is hard enough without being that foolish.

[Tommy2guns]

Gentlemen,

I am done with this thread and while I understand and agree with you that sometimes this stuff may get out of hand let me ask you this.

We all know of well known or more well known stories that have gone on for a long time, years and years in fact about dubious dealers and fakers, thieves, etc... I see comments alluding to "David B. From California", some guys who monkey with 1911s, Lugers, Garands, and so on. We have all heard of some of these guys and we are better informed and better prepared to battle with them because of a known history of fraud and crooked behavior.

How do any of us know about their activities and their crooked deeds? From people they have screwed over time and time again who started talking about them and calling them out. It took years for word to travel in the days before the internet and it meant the bad guy had a lot of time and a lot of bogus and crooked deals chalked up by the time they were exposed.

I'm not saying that this reaches that level and I'm not saying every transaction is a bad one but if you got screwed over or taken advantage of, or someone you thought well of, a family member maybe falls victim to a crook wouldn't you tell everyone to look out for the offender? Wouldn't you be more pissed off if this happened to you or someone you cared about only to have other people come forward after the fact and go " Oh yeah that guy burned me etc...blah blah blah...." ?

I'm done with this thread as I said but before you throw me on the fire, please think about that narrative.

And Scott, I'm familiar with Gordon and some of the animosity between you two. We are not the same person, we are not in contact other than the occasional back and forth here in this forum. I could care less about that history between you two and this thread of commentary was not initiated by him or anything to do with him.

You believe what ever you need to Scott to sleep at night. I could care less. You are a liar and a thief my friend. I know a lot more about you than I have shared here, a lot more. I have talked to people at gun shows all through the country and met dealers and collectors alike that are all quite familiar with you Scott. You think that they are your friend because you think they beg for your attention and opinion on their items. They absolutely think you are a complete jackaxx and a joke. Guys right here on this forum that you think are your cheerleaders turn around and send private emails hailing these truths that are revealed.

You continue all these denials Scott, people know better.

[Johnny P]

Gordon,

There is no individual winning or losing here. The forum is always the big loser.

JP

[stan4]

Gordon,

There is no individual winning or losing here. The forum is always the big loser.

JP

JP,

Please allow me to respectfully disagree! There may be many winning with this discussion;---all the new individuals interested in Model O Colts, especially those interested in collecting. There are collectors and businesses with outstanding reputations and a few with not so good. How should the novice learn and who should decide? Please, all, keep in mind;---no human is perfect. Hopefully there are no losers; can't count ones that are already lost,---if there are any.

Hopefully, the forum is not a loser! Maybe it will become more respectful, and more educational?

Best Regards,

[Scott Gahimer]

Stan:

This is the Internet and you know everything you read, especially mud slung by faceless, screen names on the Internet is true...right?

While most everyone has some detractors, nobody likes it...even me. But I am confident most people are bright enough to figure things out. I don't hide behind fake screen names, nor do I make unsupported accusations. One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know being accused by someone without and any details, actual evidence, firsthand accounts doesn't support the accusations or prove anything. The Amazing Gordo is one of my detractors, and I'm sure there are others. Nobody likes to hear my opinion if it is not favorable about the pistol in question. But of the hundreds of inspections I've done, none were anything like the "story" told by my other detractor here.

Tommy showed up on this board for the first time defending Gordo with his bogus EXP 8, which was in fact an illegally altered Remington Rand. Just read all Gordo and T2G's posts in this thread. Just minutes apart, one slapping the other on the back, the other keeping the thread going, etc. People can and do believe what they want. Why would anyone choose to believe something negative, without any evidence? Petty jealousy? Sour grapes? Who knows?

I've been on this forum about 15 +/- years and have pissed multiple people off telling them I didn't think their gun was right. I've probably made a lot more people happy, telling them I thought they had a good one. Such is life.

Proving something that didn't happen didn't happen is a tough job. That's why the law requires those making charges to prove their case. I'm convinced most people who read the crap detractors say are bright enough to consider the source and not to believe everything they hear or see...especially on the Internet. When making a decision about hiring someone to authenticate anything, I think most are bright enough to do their own homework and/or ask for references.

So, like most other people I know, I'll just consider the source and go from there. Unfounded accusations from detractors doesn't go very far with me.

[Johnny P]

JP,

Please allow me to respectfully disagree! There may be many winning with this discussion;---all the new individuals interested in Model O Colts, especially those interested in collecting. There are collectors and businesses with outstanding reputations and a few with not so good. How should the novice learn and who should decide? Please, all, keep in mind;---no human is perfect. Hopefully there are no losers; can't count ones that are already lost,---if there are any.

Hopefully, the forum is not a loser! Maybe it will become more respectful, and more educational?

Best Regards,

Respectfully, has anyone been identified in all this? If you have someone that you would like to let all the new Model O collectors, and who here calls them O's, please let them know who it is and we can get back to discussing pistols.

JP

[stan4]

What is this thread all about? Singer grip Comparison?

What is this thread all about? Singer grip Comparison?

Obviously not. There seems to be a lot more going on than most are aware of??

"Hopefully, the forum is not a loser! Maybe it will become more respectful, and more educational?"!!

Best Regards,

[stan4]

"and who here calls them O's" ?

I do. It is an easy way to include Military and Commercial .45 ACP, along with the Supers , Aces, and Service Model Aces. Please forgive me if I have offended anyone!

Yes, l hope to get back to discussing pistols.

Best Regards

[Tommy2guns]

Gentleman,

Stan4 you are right and I am abandoning the ship on this thread as I realize there is just no winning with Scott or his position on anything and no amount of bantering back and forth is gonna to change Scott or his viewpoint.

T2Gs....

[gbethu]

[QUOTE=Scott Gahimer;385044]Stan:

This is the Internet and you know everything you read, especially mud slung by faceless, screen names on the Internet is true...right?
The Amazing Gordo is one of my detractors, and I'm sure there are others. Nobody likes to hear my opinion if it is not favorable about the pistol in question.






Scott, your current detractor is talking about some deal that happened way before I became a gun collector barely 18 months ago. Take the issue up with him. I have never hidden my name or my account of what has come between us.
I never even met you until you introduced yourself at the January 2014 Morphy's auction in Pa A month previously, I had purchased a Navy1911 from you for $20,000 over the phone. I was happy with it.

You told me you had just recently visited Chuck Clawson where, I believe you learned he had sold me serial number 39, a pistol you and many others always wanted. He had indicated to me that he didn't want to sell it to you or any other dealer who might flip it to make a profit. That is what he told me. It's not my opinion. He set the price and I agreed.


Some weeks later you told Chuck you would pay $30,000 more for his Singer than the price he had agreed to sell it to me. We had already reached an agreement at the price he offered it to me. You then called me asking for a payment of $20,000 to "go away". You mentioned you had a buyer in Virginia who would pay you $200,000 so you felt I was preventing you from this profit of $20.000. I then called Chuck and told him of your sleazy demand and he told me to wire him the money per our original deal. He shipped the Singer to me the next day.

Since I am not anywhere nearly as knowledgeable as you are about the M1911, I bought and posted photos of two pistols on this forum. An NAA 1911 #5 used in Clawson's reference books proved to have been altered and refinished. Chuck confirmed this and I received a refund from the 40+ year collector who sold it to me. The other was an altered 1911 purported to be a EXP US&S. I initially thought you were just demeaning the gun to be spiteful. I was wrong . You correctly identified it as a fake. I returned it for a full refund. The total cost for both pistols was $42,000. Not earth shattering compared to the very top prices for some 1911s and I received full refunds.
That's it. That is our whole history.

My only issue with you is your attempt to shake me down for $20,000. You said call it a "finder's fee" but it was no more than an attempt to squeeze money from a deal you couldn't consummate. It certainly showed me your lack of ethics or character.
We don't have any issues except your heartburn from being exposed as an unethical person.
I don't sell guns or advice . You are not a competitor nor do you have any influence on me. You don't own any pistols I want nor do you have any unique knowledge I can't find from someone more trustworthy. These recent posts from a long ago deal indicate you haven't changed much.

As I told you before , it's OK with me for you to continue to criticize my lack of expertise on the M1911. It's true you will always know much more than I do about this hobby. You, on the other hand will always suffer from your lack of honesty and ethical business behavior. There my reputation will always far exceed your own.
I suggest we quit this public tiff and go our own way. I don't gain from your loss of reputation and you really don't need another collector out there maligning your business.

[Scott Gahimer]

Gentleman, Stan4 you are right and I am abandoning the ship on this thread as I realize there is just no winning with Scott or his position on anything and no amount of bantering back and forth is gonna to change Scott or his viewpoint. T2Gs....

What? You're still here? You said you were bailing out back in post 35. And you're still here? I think you are confused, too. It wasn't Stan4 who suggested there is no winning. Johnny Peppers is who said there are no winners...and that comment was directed specifically to Gordon. And now, you are the personality who replies and acknowledges there is no winning. Hmm? Anyone with multiple personalities and screen names is bound to get them mixed up, eventually.

And why would you want to exit the thread now? You started slinging all the mud with the false innuendos (aimed at me) about $2000 inspection rates and trying to discredit me. That didn't work because it wasn't true and there wasn't even any basis for the discussion...except that you just wanted to try to smear me. When that didn't work, then you concocted the preposterous story about your neighbor sending me a 3-digit 1911. Why didn't you just say it was M1911 No. 1? That would have been just as believable. You say I switched parts, returned the gun and charged the guy $350. Really? where did you get that amount? Maybe from my web site www.m1911info.com. I told you I had all my prices published on my site when I responded to your BS $2000 Singer story. So, you thought you'd be smart and use a more believable price this time. Well, that information is common knowledge. Anyone who visits my web site can read that in the published prices.

I don't think you're very smart...maybe sh*t for brains smart, but that's about it. Every firearm shipped for inspection to and from me goes through an 01 dealer on my end. Regardless of how a pistol is shipped to us, from an individual or a dealer, it goes through our local shop. There are records of EVERY gun received and shipped. There are even form 4473s for every pistol I take possession of to do an inspection. There are shipping records and tracking numbers for every shipment. Every firearm our shop receives for me for inspection is photographed before and after the inspection is completed, and prior to returning the pistol to the licensed recipient on the other end.

Anyone ordering an inspection must be a paid Subscriber to my web site and agree to the Terms of Use. You become a Subscriber through PayPal. I have all the web site records and PayPal records. I typically receive pre-payment for inspections via PayPal, but often allow Subscribers to ship pistols without sending any pre-payment. I have nothing to risk in doing so, and this allows me to receive the pistol and immediately tell them what they have. If a pistol is not original or correct, they are told at that time, and I never recommend anyone to spend good money having an inspection written for a pistol that isn't worth it. So, your absurd story doesn't even make any sense.

There is so much evidence involved with any inspection I do, and yet you have failed to produce even a shred. I know I did not inspect a 3-digit Colt and swap parts for anyone, so I also know there is no evidence which would actually suggest otherwise. I'm not talking about bogus, altered or faked images of anything on the Internet, but evidence that stands up to scrutiny and can be verified...such as shipping records, etc.

You called me a liar and a thief. I hope, for your sake, you are smarter than I think...but probably not. People who are smarter than that wouldn't do such things. The good news is people who do such things online can be found and held accountable because everything you do online leaves little bits of evidence that ultimately point right back to you. Records are available.

You aren't my first detractor and you won't be my last. A few years ago, on this same board, I had one who liked to spoof e-mail addresses and make posts to make others think it was me. But, eventually, he got sloppy and was revealed when IP addresses were displayed on the board.

So I invite you to stay on board and keep posting. The more the better. You're digging your own hole.

[gbethu]

Well Scott check IP addresses. Mine is in Houston, Texas. Maybe you're confused but I am not the person who accused you of swapping parts. I don't need a false name. I don't have any issues with you anymore other than the one I stated in my post. get over it. I have.