Mint Army made in 1912 from the Donald O. Sutherland Collection

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  • 5MadFarmers
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 2815

    #16
    My duty weapon was that awful little .38 - the "M15." An issue weapon should be something that one has faith in. I had zero in that thing. The SF types we worked with promissed me they'd bring an extra M16 if it came to that.

    When the Army received the pistols they were simply tools. Enlisted troops with crew serviced weapons often received them. Those would be passed down again and again. Being rebuilt repeatedly. Others served as qualification weapons being shot daily - hard wear.

    When Officers purchased them the wear patterns vary even within that group. A finance officer would likely have one seeing a lot of holster wear as he went through his routine. Air crew also likely would put a lot of holster wear on them.

    For Officers in sundry staff positions the pistol was more uniform decoration. Very rarely worn.

    I attended an estate sale many years ago. In addition to bad art and expensive furniture there was a uniform and a Remington-Rand in the box. I took it. Looking around at the rest of the estate it painted a picture of a semi-refined gentleman sitting in his den in front of the fireplace drinking from a delicate glass which his wife insisted on using a coaster under. The pistol likely sat in the closet with his wife referring to it as "that pistol George brought back from the war."

    My uncle had the same situation. His pistol was an ETO capture. Sat in the holster in the closet for decades until he passed on.

    They're out there.

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    • Andouille
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 203

      #17
      John Holbrook's story, and it's a good one:



      It was on Culver's for a while but was gone from here last time I looked for it, or perhaps I'm just insufficiently technically literate to have found it.
      "There it is"
      LOAD AND BE READY!

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      • gbethu
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 172

        #18
        John Holbrook is so straight forward with that story...not boasting, just relating a near brush with death, keeping his head and, utilizing his shooting skills learned with a 1911 long before he joined the Navy.
        We served together in Heavy Attack Squadron Eleven in 1960 and 1961 aboard the USS F D Rooseveldt, CVA-42.. He was one of a mere handful of enlisted men choosen in the Navy for training as a Bombardier. All others were commissioned officers. I was one of the the mechanics for that equipment so had frequent interface with him...mostly discussing troubles with malfunctioning equipment. Needless to add, he was a favorite of the enlisted men of the squadron and "one of us". We were all "high fiving " when John outscored every crew in aerial bombing marksmanship .He beat every officer bombardier in achieving more bulls eyes to the target. Not only was he a crack shot with an M1911, he was a crack bombing marksman with the Douglas A3D airplane, the largest bomber used aboard an aircraft carrier.

        Later in Vietnam He was wounded twice (two purple heart medals) and awarded a silver star for valor in saving the men he worked with at a risk of his own life. I'm proud to have him for a friend...plus, he's forgotten more than I'll ever know about the 1911.
        If you ever meet him, you just gotta love him.

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        • stan4
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 153

          #19
          Originally posted by gbethu
          John Holbrook is so straight forward with that story...not boasting, just relating a near brush with death, keeping his head and, utilizing his shooting skills learned with a 1911 long before he joined the Navy.
          We served together in Heavy Attack Squadron Eleven in 1960 and 1961 aboard the USS F D Rooseveldt, CVA-42.. He was one of a mere handful of enlisted men choosen in the Navy for training as a Bombardier. All others were commissioned officers. I was one of the the mechanics for that equipment so had frequent interface with him...mostly discussing troubles with malfunctioning equipment. Needless to add, he was a favorite of the enlisted men of the squadron and "one of us". We were all "high fiving " when John outscored every crew in aerial bombing marksmanship .He beat every officer bombardier in achieving more bulls eyes to the target. Not only was he a crack shot with an M1911, he was a crack bombing marksman with the Douglas A3D airplane, the largest bomber used aboard an aircraft carrier.

          Later in Vietnam He was wounded twice (two purple heart medals) and awarded a silver star for valor in saving the men he worked with at a risk of his own life. I'm proud to have him for a friend...plus, he's forgotten more than I'll ever know about the 1911.
          If you ever meet him, you just gotta love him.
          gbethu,

          "If you ever meet him, you just gotta love him." Yes, Always a Gentleman, helpful and very kind.

          Best Regards,

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          • Andouille
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 203

            #20
            Originally posted by gbethu
            Later in Vietnam He was wounded twice (two purple heart medals) and awarded a silver star for valor in saving the men he worked with at a risk of his own life.
            Was not aware of that, nor of his bomber marksmanship. I find it remarkable, although not surprising. It is inherently obvious that the man had to be something special to be an enlisted man in an officer's game. Mr. Holbrook favored me with some good advice a couple - three times on the old Culver forum, which advice was greatly appreciated at the time, and still is. Kinda miss him around here, a lot. He always said that "nobody has more fun than me" and I for one believe it was well earned.
            "There it is"
            LOAD AND BE READY!

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            • Tudorp
              Member
              • Sep 2014
              • 50

              #21
              Nice. Nicer than mine but here is my early colt. 1914 serial Colt Navy frame. Remington Rand slide. This one is told to have served in WWI as an M1911, and then served again in WWII in the A1 configuration. The parkerized finish looks too nice really and I think it was probably restored/refinished post war, but still love it.

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              • Duane Hansen
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 992

                #22
                Originally posted by Tudorp
                Nice. Nicer than mine but here is my early colt. 1914 serial Colt Navy frame. Remington Rand slide. This one is told to have served in WWI as an M1911, and then served again in WWII in the A1 configuration. The parkerized finish looks too nice really and I think it was probably restored/refinished post war, but still love it.

                Your pistol is a 1911 and will never be a 1911A1. It has a Type II RR slide and some other late parts but that does not make it an A1.

                The pistol has been scrubbed on hard and parkerized. The sights are later non-military pieces. It looks as though someone put the pistol together as a BullsEye shooter. It may have been refinished and went through a rebuild while it was still in Military hands but it was most likely Buffed Hard after it came into civilian hands.

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                • Tudorp
                  Member
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 50

                  #23
                  Yep, thats why I think it was probably refinished post war due to the hard buffed edges, and stampings. The stampings are all still there, but faint, especially the rearsenal inspector stamp, but there is "enough" of it still visible to distinguish it. I also know the sights aren't correct. Sucks I can't turn back time or undo previous owner sins, but it's still a gun..

                  Last edited by Tudorp; 09-25-2014, 08:10.

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                  • Duane Hansen
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 992

                    #24
                    Well that's right, but they are all good......some are just better......
                    Last edited by Duane Hansen; 09-25-2014, 09:47.

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                    • SPEEDGUNNER
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 729

                      #25
                      In a word - BEAUTIFUL
                      "There's a race of men that don't fit in,
                      A race that can't stay still;
                      So they break the hearts of kith and kin,
                      And they roam the world at will." - Robert Service

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