CMP's 1911 Notice

[Ken Hill]

Update on the legislation on the 1911 pistols. The National Defense Appropriations Act has been vetoed. We have no further information at this time.


Thank you for your support,
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer


Well it's not surprising, it is disappointing '

[Dan Shapiro]

Be interesting to see why that POS in the White House vetoed the legislation.

[gwp]

Be interesting to see why that POS in the White House vetoed the legislation.

Because defense was receiving more than his pet projects.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/10/22/obama-veto-defense-authorization-bill-spending-fight/74371856/

The veto of the National Defense Authorization Act was an extraordinary use of one of the president's most powerful executive tools. While the White House had problems with some of the bill's provisions, Obama's main objection is that the bill anticipates off-budget spending to increase the defense budget without increasing domestic spending first. The president wants Congress to lift the automatic budget caps included in a 2011 budget agreement.

[Chris W.]

At some point a military funding bill will have to pass to keep the military operating. One can only hope in the new bill the section where the CMP gets the 1911's is present as well. Don't think Obama nixed the bill for just for not wanting the CMP to end up with these, think he has bigger issues in his small mind. They can't just let the military run out of funds.
Chris

[c-j]

Is obama the only president to veto a defense spending bill?

[thorin6]

It appears that the NDAA passed by the Senate and sent to the President contained the part to transfer the M1911/1911A1s. Section 1087 of the November 3 bill as it went to the floor (as best I can determine) contained the language "the Secretary may transfer to the corporation, [CMP I assume] in accordance with the procedure prescribed in this subchapter, surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts . . . [that] are surplus to the requirements of the Department of the Army . . ." and the transfer is limited to no more than 10,000 pistols per year.
I hope more information will be made available.

[Chris W.]

Anytime the wording " may transfer " is used, you can bet this president will not approve, or will block the transfer in anyway he or his minions can. Think the best wording for that bill should be " must transfer ". If this ever comes to pass, and the CMP can transfer these and sell them, I'm not looking for much of a deal here. Looking at how the CMP carefully grades the M-1's it still has, and the prices, you could expect them to do the same with any 1911's they end up with. 10,000 pistols a year will be sold out very fast. I'll still be in line to get one, but I bet it won't be cheap. Also speculate that any of high value will go on their auction site, no luck of the draw.
Chris

[Johnny P]

Didn't LBJ stop the sale of U.S. military handguns to citizens in 1968?

[PhillipM]

Is obama the only president to veto a defense spending bill?

I read somewhere it's one of only five bills he has vetoed. It appears the new compromise that as far as I know still have the 1911's in it, has been sent back to Obama with enough votes to be veto proof. I guess some spineless congresscritter or two could change their vote if Obama vetoes it again, but I'd say that's not likely.

Like the IHC's, I'm glad I already have a nice 1911 because I foresee frothing at the mouth and mortgage loans being made to buy a pistol from the CMP.

[westgard]

The text of this is pretty interesting. I am sure it will morph more as the bill gets reconciled between the house and senate version.
A couple of interesting points - 10,000 units annually, plus a requirement for the CMP to get an FFL to conduct any and all handgun sales. I know that some politicians were complaining about the 'lack of traceability' of these awful, dangerous guns getting out into the hands of the general public....
From JOINT EXPLANATORY STATEMENT TO ACCOMPANY S.
1356, THE NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION
ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2016
The House bill contained a provision (sec. 1085) that
would authorize the transfer of surplus firearms to the Civilian
Marksmanship Program (CMP).
The Senate amendment contained no similar provision.
The Senate recedes with a clarifying amendment that
establishes a pilot program limited to .45 caliber handguns and
restricts the amount of handguns that can be transferred to the
CMP to no more than 10,000 units annually. Additionally, it
requires the CMP to provide a report to Congress after the
conclusion of the pilot program, obtain a federal firearm
license to conduct any and all handgun sales, and adhere to all
local, state, and federal laws in respect to handgun sales.

[Ken Hill]

This was in my mornings email. Let's hope so!

An update on the 1911 pistols. The revised NDAA has passed the House and Senate. It is on its way to the President's desk for signature. We have no further information at this time.

Thank you for your support,
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer

[Cosine26]

CMP and the M1911
I do not wish to "rain on anyone's parade" or be the harbinger of doom but I should like to put forth some thoughts to consider.
It is my opinion that, even if the CMP does gain owner ship of the M1911 & 1911A1 pistols presently in the army inventory, it will face an enormous problem in selling them to members. Given the myriad of federal, state, county and city laws ,ordnances, and regulation controlling the sale and possession and ownership of handguns by local populations. As a private corporation(] "The CPRPFS is a tax-exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation chartered by the U.S. Congress, but is not an agency of the U.S. government (Title 36, United States Code, Section 40701 et seq.). Apart from a donation of surplus .22 and .30 caliber rifles in the Army's inventory to the CMP, the CMP receives no federal funding." This was extracted from the CMP Page)the CMP will probably have to employ a rather extensive legal staff to comply with all such laws and ordnances before selling and shipping these handguns. At one time, the CMP could ship rifles directly to purchases with no problems. I know that in the state of California and perhaps many other jurisdictions, mandate that all firearms must now go through a licensed firearms dealer. In some states, the dealer must have special authorization to sell handguns over and above the federal laws. There are other peculiarities . In the state of New York, NYC pistol licenses are recognized throughout New York state, but licenses issued by authorized authorities outside NYC are not recognized by NYC. Some states require that applicants pass certain tests before purchasing a handgun.
Let us look at some practical considerations.
1. What is the condition of these pistols?
2. Are they all RFI (ready for issue) or are some of them retrograde material turned in to supply for overhaul?
3. I would assume that they are of both the M1911 and the M1911A1 configuration. The M1911 was superseded by the M1911A1 in 1921. I believe that the last procurement of M1911 series was in 1945. These are not pristine collector items but are/were items of issue for use as tools of the services.
4. Many of them have been overhauled more than, once though there might be some in pristine in "new in the box" condition (very few I would think).
5. The US government wants to dispose of the them because of the cost of maintaining them. Can the CMP provide the storage and security management for a lesser cost.?
6. Does this disposition include spare parts ?
7. These factors must be taken into consideration when pricing these pistols for sale. What if the established price exceeds the cost of a new M1911 model from Colt or other manufacturers? Does the collector value warrant such a larger price? That is for the collector to answer. When one wants to restore one of these to a better condition-what is the availability and cost to do so. A number of years ago I purchased a new in the wrap new Colt M1911 slide with all of the internal parts for $80.00. What would that cost today - if available?
There are I suspect other questions that need be asked.
I expect that I shall get some feed back to these comments.

[blackhawk2]

they will break them down and sell them as kits, just like the m-14.....they will make a ton of money.....maybe enough to open an indoor range in Ohio.....regards....alex

[Shooter5]

All valid points. There are hurdles to deal with; the transfer alone will likely dictate a mandatory FFL transaction. I estimate price range averaging $1500 to $2000 with unique examples going to auction. Most pistols will be mix master and not in OEM condition. Neither of those factors concerns me in the slightest and I will be willing to purchase one regardless of the requirements.

[Johnny P]

$1500 to $2000 rebuilds are no prize. They can be found for less than that on today's market, and you get to pick out the one you want.