What is this WWII German 9MM ammunition?

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  • M1Garandy
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 611

    #1

    What is this WWII German 9MM ammunition?

    I have been searching the net for information on this box of ammunition. The headstamp is dnh and a WWII date, I think 43 or 44. 9MM.JPG

    I can't find anything definitive about what exactly this ammunition is or what it is worth.

    You can't tell in this picture but the box is a pale blue.

    Thanks for any info.
  • Major Tom
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 6181

    #2
    I have no idea either. Except it is probably corrosive. A Luger collector may be interested in it for display with their collection.

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    • dave
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 6778

      #3
      dnh is the code for the maker, there are lists on the internet, Google for them. What else is there to know?, its pistol and sub-machine gun ammo! Probably steel case?
      You can never go home again.

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      • Sunray
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3251

        #4
        'dnh' is Rheinisch-Westfälische Sprengstoff A.-G., (Previously Gustav Genschow & Co. ) Werk Durlach, Germany. The 'Gustav Genschow & Co." is the company name of GECO ammo. Who made ammo for and with RWS long before W.W. II. RWS became a part of the Dynamit Nobel in 1931.
        Durlach is a suburb of Karlsruhe near the French-German border.
        There was a guy on gunauction.com in 2013 who couldn't sell 9 rounds of assorted German stamped 9mm ammo for a buck. Might be different for a whole unopened box though. Trick, as usual, is finding somebody who wants it.
        Spelling and grammar count!

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        • M1Garandy
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 611

          #5
          I should have added that I knew this ammunition was made by RWS. My question is more focused on the packaging and the end user(s) of ammunition packaged like this.

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          • dave
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 6778

            #6
            'German military' is not close enough? Doubt any one would know much more.
            You can never go home again.

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            • Litt'le Lee
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 653

              #7
              The only question is,Is it sub-machine gun hi pressure ??

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              • M1Garandy
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 611

                #8
                Originally posted by dave
                'German military' is not close enough? Doubt any one would know much more.
                Dave, the speculation in the only two links I've found so far that illustrate this ammunition seem to indicate that the German military were not the intended users.

                I am trying to sort out the dates for the various box styles used by Geco on 9mm P08 “commercial” ammunition before and during WWII. There are three basic styles I am working on though I know there were other styles used, particularly a Blue box with a cartridge drawing on the front and others that I have only hints of because they are under other labels. The three I am working on now are shown below. Most of these have a code stamped on the back or inside the end flap. Usually it is a two lett...




                If you scroll down to German Commercial Luger Ammunition and select Cal 9MM Gansmantel-Geschoss it also has a picture and a similar description.

                It's referred to "as packaged is exceptionally rare" but not really quantified. No value either.

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                • S.A. Boggs
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 8568

                  #9
                  My German is a whole lot rusty but loosely translated it is for the self loading pistol which could be the P-08/P38. As you know Parabellum is Latin for war. I can't see why it is not for the German Armed Forces, perhaps the Luftwaffe as a color {blue} coded box. As to worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay. Put a price tag of $100.00, you can always come down.
                  Sam

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                  • dave
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6778

                    #10
                    Yes, it says pistol right on the box. I think 100 is way too hi, but give it a try. It may be rare. Collecting ammo is only a side line for me (when its cheap). I never go into researching it too deeply. I am sure they were not making ammo for commercial sales in 1943, but maybe police?
                    Last edited by dave; 03-28-2017, 04:20.
                    You can never go home again.

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                    • jjrothWA
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 1148

                      #11
                      "Eisenkern" is something to note

                      as it mean Iron core and made for sub-machine pistol use.

                      "SE" denoted an iron-powdered bullet core that was subjected to high temperature [sintered] to hold shape as a issued round.

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