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  • Len
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 118

    #1

    Japanese Spencer New Model rifle...

    This rifle came into a local gun shop a while back. I expressed interest in it at that time but the shop's owner said he'd be keeping it for his collection. Last week he called me to say it was mine if I wanted it. It's a New Model Spencer made in 1868 I think. It's in ok shape with a tad bit of the exterior case hardening still on the receiver and it has an excellent bore. It has Japanese kanji engraved on the receiver which I'm told read "#140 Meiji 27 (1894) Saga Prefecture". The rifle might have originally entered Japan to arm the Forces of the Emperor Meiji during the Boshin War of 1868-69 fought against the Shogun. Here are some pics.

    Len
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    ..of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an fawning court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants. -Alexander Hamilton , The Federalist Papers
  • ebeeby
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 687

    #2
    Way cool. Way.
    "Socialism is the Philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." ~Winston Churchill

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    • da gimp
      Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
      • Aug 2009
      • 10137

      #3
      agreed, it's a dern neat piece, congrats.
      be safe, enjoy life, journey well
      da gimp
      OFC, Mo. Chapter

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      • Oyaji
        Very Senior Member - OFC
        • Oct 2009
        • 4371

        #4
        Just consulted with my Japanese language expert re the inscription.

        Left column transcribes as:

        San - thee
        Ichi - one
        Yon/shi - four
        Zero - zero

        Right column transcribes:

        Meiji - Meiji Era
        Ni - two
        Nana - seven

        (The twenty seventh year of Meiji's throne would be 1894/95)

        Bottom transcription is Saga Ken which is a prefecture adjacent to Nagasaki on the southernmost main Japanese island of Kyushu.

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        • Griff Murphey
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 3708

          #5
          Turner Kirkland recalled how GI's were permitted to loot museum guns under the watchful eyes of US MPs. I believe he took home a trapdoor. Perhaps this Spencer was similarly liberated....

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          • jon_norstog
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3896

            #6
            Len,

            Your 1868 Spencer may have arrived a little late for the Boshin War, hard to tell. Wikipedia says that the Tosa domain troops got Spencers and Satsuma got Smith and Wesson revolvers in time for the fighting. That war lasted from JaNUary 1868 through the fall of Edo in October, with fighting in the north until march of 1869. A lot of foreign military hardware got sold to both sides, including the ironclad former CSS Stonewall and at least three Gatling guns. A key figure in the arms trade was a Jardine Matheson agent named Thomas Glover.

            Saga prefecture was a domain at the time, in the south. The samurai of Saga, along with Satsuma, Tosa and Choshu threw their lot in with the Meiji against the Shogun. So if your rifle was there. it was used by that side. Later on the samurai rebelled against the Meiji a number of times. Saga rebelled in 1874, and your rifle may have seen action on one side or the other. The Saga revolt was crushed in a month, but unrest continued until the 1878 Satsuma War - the last stand of the samurai class. If your rifle saw action there it was probably on the Meiji side. The Meiji threw every man and every weapon at its disposal into that fight.

            One upshot of all this was Japan decided it needed its own arms industry and chose the Murata rifle as its first in-country produced military rifle.

            What you have there, Len, is definitely a piece of history.

            jn

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